Value of BE-90 right seat time?

[iflyjets4food]

You may want to review the 135 regulations regarding a non-crewmember operating aircraft controls. That's a no-no unless you were participating in company and FAA approved training. It's a shame, since you must have had some sort of training in the 350, that the company didn't get their POI to approve a SIC training program for 135 ops. We're trying to get that set at our company now, since we have a 90 and a 200 and if the weather is below takeoff minimums or an autopilot acts up, we can't fly them single pilot.

The right seat is a passenger seat really in a part 135 single pilot King Air. Even if you're being paid to be there, you should probably be on the manifest as a passenger and comply with TSA pax screening requirements. By the way, I'm not busting on you. I've ridden along several times on 135 flights per client requests. But really, I was just a passenger, according to the FAA. It's just something to think about.

I was just a passenger as it applied to the FAA. I was PNF on 135 legs and PF on 91 legs. The 350 was a part 91 airplane.

 

[puddlejumper]

I was just a passenger as it applied to the FAA. I was PNF on 135 legs and PF on 91 legs. The 350 was a part 91 airplane.

Were you a passenger or PNF? You're counterdicting yourself. There is no PNF on a single pilot 135 flight, technically. If the PNF is touching anything, like the radios, flaps or gear, he/she is technically, illegally, operating the aircraft. Anyway, in real life, lots of clients ask for a second pilot on 135 charter flights. Lots of operators pay pilots to sit there and lots of pilots act as PNF on single pilot flights. It's just one of those things. I'm sure some operators have SIC training and approval for their single pilot aircraft. Just because it's technically not legal for a non-required crewmember to operate controls in the plane, doesn't mean it doesn't happen everyday. Not that I ever did anything like that. I would never...

 

[TheGreatChecko]

Like I posted earlier, hood time. You can log PIC simulated instrument time if you're rated in the aircraft and you have a safety pilot, in your case that would be the actual PIC of the flight, and the more instrument time you have the more competitive your resume will be.

You have to be careful in logging that. Someone actually needs to be under the hood and the other is the PIC. The person under the hood can log PIC under the "manipulating the flight controls" part of the reg, the other logs it as PIC, the person ultimately responsible for the safety of the flight. Its the only way it works.

Also, I don't know too much about the regs, but is it even legal to do that on a Part 135 flight?

 

[Herman]

Since a BE-90 is below 12,500 lbs and you do not require a type you can log the flight time, where you were the sole manipulator of the flight controls as long as you hold a multi engine rating. In addition, if you were flying under part 135 the ATP holding PIC could instruct you while flying, allowing you to lot flight time with or without CFI.

This is only my interpretation on what flight time is logable and which is not, but I did interpret this through FARs and FSDO interpretation of FARs. I would not trust anyone’s answer on this board, nor any interpretation of your company or friends, but instead just ask your FSDO FAA representative for “the real answer”.

Keep in mind though, even though something might be “legal”, does not mean that other employers count anything as valid time, which they would consider; but what you put into your logbook is your choice, and as long as you can explain what you were doing….just be prepared to answer questions if asked.

 

[airspeedsalive]

I think to log the time as PIC you'd need a high altitude sign-off as well.

 

[onthebeach]

>>I think to log the time as PIC you'd need a high altitude sign-off as well.<<

No. The endorsement is required to ACT as PIC, not to log PIC time. The latter only requires that you hold at least a Private Pilot certificate in Multi-Engine Land Airplanes, and, if in IMC, an Instrument Rating.

 

[Buckeye]

iflyjets4food, Answering your original question, I would chalk it up to experience and tell the interviewers it helped learning CRM, and functioning in a two crew environment. I would also add the different things you liked, disliked, and learned from flying with different Capt's. I am sorry I interrupted the typical who knows best and whom is smarter then who and the regs say.... I am glad I am not one of those guys.

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[airspeedsalive]

>>I think to log the time as PIC you'd need a high altitude sign-off as well.<<

No. The endorsement is required to ACT as PIC, not to log PIC time. The latter only requires that you hold at least a Private Pilot certificate in Multi-Engine Land Airplanes, and, if in IMC, an Instrument Rating.

Huh. That's interesting. I recently just started doing a part-time seat warmer deal in King Air. I assumed that on the dead legs I could log PIC time, but I'd need to wait until I had a high altitude endorement.

I'll check into that when I get home. Does everyone else agree with onthebeach?

Thanks

 

[falcon20driver]

Major difference between ACTING and LOGGING pilot in command time, it's like night and day.

Look it up in the regs, only reqs. to log PIC are rated in the type of ship.
Now if you're going to actually be the PIC than you will need the thin air signoff. Realistically though, I don't think anyone actually ever get the signoff, just a jet or turboprop type rating and you get sent on your way, so maybe that covers it.

 

[Bushhatesyou]

The time still counts for total time,multi,cross country, ect. (if you have taken a sic 135 check ride that is.)