V.America- u know your pay rates are worse than Spirits, right?

[hyflyin]

Knock it off with the name calling and the profanity or you're going to get a FI vacation.

/mod

For how long?

 

[Caveman]

Remember that even though you can ‘dress up a pig’, in the end, a pig is still a pig.


Yeah good luck to 'em but your pay is still sh8t.

I'm not defending VA, but.......you had better check JetBlue's history. Our early pay rates were pitiful too. In fact it has only been with the recent pay raise that we reached middle of the pack. Give them some time. Hopefully they'll get there. If 5 years from now they are still way behind you might have a point.

 

[Fly2AK]

VA's pay does not beat CAL in the first couple of years, only in the first year. Don't forget CAL has many 737-800, 900 aircraft so second year pay is closer to 67 dollars. This pay is very low and will hopefully change very soon !

Va does have new pay rates that have yet been postedd on APC. However, my point is VA is still new where legacies like UAL, CAL US Airways have been around for many years and VA's first couple years are up with theirs and higher. Give them some time and if in a few years the pilots settle for lower wage then so be it. Remember Allegiant in 2006 topped at $103 per hour for an MD80 Captain. All the carriers and groups need work and it is time to stand together and take back our careers.

 

[banger]

If you were a 4 year FO at VA and upgraded to CA, would you be paid as a 4yr CA or a first year CA?

 

[Rez O. Lewshun]

Yes, good thing we can actually get things done within days as opposed to years by not having a union. Sometimes unions are needed, at this time it is not.

Cautiously optimistic

For how long?

 

[Fubijaakr]

If you were a 4 year FO at VA and upgraded to CA, would you be paid as a 4yr CA or a first year CA?

1st year. And don't forget they use MERIT upgrade.

 

[satlol]

1st year. And don't forget they use MERIT upgrade.

Totally incorrect on both counts. You will not start over at year 1 and they are no longer upgrading based on merit. I interviewed this week and verified both of these rumors with the CP.

 

[Fubijaakr]

YEAH! That $105 Airbus Capt. pay rate is looking pretty good! There are Regional RJ jobs that pay more than that. And in ONLY 3 more YEARS the FIRST guy hired will top out at $120.

Nice.

 

[NEDude]

YEAH! That $105 Airbus Capt. pay rate is looking pretty good! There are Regional RJ jobs that pay more than that. And in ONLY 3 more YEARS the FIRST guy hired will top out at $120.

Nice.

You need a clue buddy. Compare apples to apples. Show me any RJ that pays a first or second year captain even remotely close to $105/hr.

Here is another argument using your logic - Virgin America pays A320 pilots more than United pays 747 pilots.

 

[Fubijaakr]

You know why UAL's pay rates suck? Because when UAL went into bankruptcy court they asked for B6 pay rates at the time.

And check QX's top Capt. pay rate. Its HIGHER than Virgin's.

 

[waveflyer]

You guys are going after the wrong group-

That said- I disagree with any un-unionized group that collectively bargains. You want the people who represent you at the negotiating table to be as independent of the company as YOU would be if you were negotiating a contract for yourself. Seniority and collective bargaining simply does NOT work without a legal certified union to represent you.

 

[Fly2AK]

Your kind of right about QX. However, at QX you need to be there for 17 years to get that $120 per hour and the FO's will never see 2nd year FO pay that VA FO's receive. Also I believe that the VA pay rates have gone up to, I believe 125 per hour. Don't know about you but if my only 2 choices were VA and QX I would choose to make 120 an hour in 5 years vs 17 years. With that said I still maintain my position that all pilot groups need to retake their careers and push the bar higher. Hats off to Spirit guys which have done just this. Congrats on the TA, spirit! Now the rest of us need to get to work on this same issue.

 

[NEDude]

You know why UAL's pay rates suck? Because when UAL went into bankruptcy court they asked for B6 pay rates at the time.

And check QX's top Capt. pay rate. Its HIGHER than Virgin's.

No it is not. Regarding VA, the information on APC is not up to date, not official information and not complete. The current VA captain pay scale tops out at $133/hr at year ten. Incidently, if you go by the information on APC, our ten year captain pay is $11/hr more than USAirways east pay for a ten year A320 captain, and only $2/less for the same position on the west. Additionally it is a whopping $1/hr less than 10 yr A320 captain pay at United.

When you bring up what happened in bankruptcy, please remember to bring up everything the company asked for. For example, they also asked for even more relaxation of scope so they could outsource more jobs. Who originally relaxed scope and allowed the outsourcing? ALPA.

Pay rates may be lower due to JetBlue, but the reason thousands of pilots are unemployed and ready to jump on at new start-ups is due to ALPA giving up scope and allowing outsourcing.

 

[BILL LUMBERG]

YEAH! That $105 Airbus Capt. pay rate is looking pretty good! There are Regional RJ jobs that pay more than that. And in ONLY 3 more YEARS the FIRST guy hired will top out at $120.

Nice.

This is the problem. Guys like Funijaakr look at VA and think this is SHWEEET compared to regional salaries. Sad.....

 

[FLYLOW22]

Problem is.... VA pilots can't strike....

Yeah. They can walk out.