V.America- u know your pay rates are worse than Spirits, right?

[hyflyin]

Ahhh, what happened JOBLU, nothing to say??

 

[hyflyin]

Please stop. You're going to hurt yourself.

You're wrong again junior. Airlines are born with investors yes with deep pockets and then as the airline gets moving through a good business plan, marketing and growth. The revenue it generates allows it to become self sustaining and profitable.

Your case is the constant infusion of Branson's own money to stay afloat. If he quit subsidizing your airline it would fail.

In order to show profit you must have at least a core. We have just achieved that. Did Jblu magically make enough money with each and every a/c from the beginning to continue its growth or did it have to reach a specific size with specific assets before it started to make money?

 

[hyflyin]

Is that all you can come up with junior?

The more you spew your dribble the more moronic you make yourself to be.

Your airline sucks, your disco shirt sucks and your pay still sucks. Keep huffin and puffin it's not going to change those facts.

Thats funny, many of your OWN pilots say the same thing about JBLU.

Pot meet kettle??

 

[hyflyin]

Is that all you can come up with junior?

The more you spew your dribble the more moronic you make yourself to be.

Your airline sucks, your disco shirt sucks and your pay still sucks. Keep huffin and puffin it's not going to change those facts.

Once again you prove my point. Thanks, what else you got??

Sorry, I don't have time to play with you anymore,

Bye, bye

 

[NEDude]

Please stop. You're going to hurt yourself.

You're wrong again junior. Airlines are born with investors yes with deep pockets and then as the airline gets moving through a good business plan, marketing and growth. The revenue it generates allows it to become self sustaining and profitable.

Your case is the constant infusion of Branson's own money to stay afloat. If he quit subsidizing your airline it would fail.

Ummmm, hey buddy, you may want to check your facts there. Airlines are neither historically profitable nor self sustaining. Airlines are subsidised by deep pockets, bankruptcy courts, and government loans, not by good business plans.

Branson owns the brand and has a 25% stake in the company, it is far more 'his' airline that it is 'our' airline. He has every right to put his money into it. I also get the feeling he knows a little bit more about business and the airline industry than you do.

And since I know what is coming next, Virgin America was the most scrutinized start-up in history, and just recently went through another intense evaluation process by the DOT - the company does meet the requirements to be a legally operating, 75% US owned airline.

 

[Lear70]

Knock it off with the name calling and the profanity or you're going to get a FI vacation.

/mod

 

[Fly2AK]

I under stand everyones point. However, in 06 I had an opportunity to go to Allegiant but for reasons that need not be discussed I chose not to and at the time didn't worry to much about it. Back in those days it wasn't until your 9th year I believe that a captain would go over $100 per hr and they only topped at $103. Now the top pay is $153 (still needs work but getting there). I think it is unrealistic to think a new company is going to start with industry leading payrates. Initially they will start low and over time they will come up and it is up to the pilots to try and help that cause along. Right now however, VA's first couple years pay beat out UAL, US Airways (east), and Continental's. Granted VA contract tops out much lower, but last I recall Southwest was not always one of the highest paid pilots and was citicized for their pay. Now thousands of pilots would love to work for Southwest. Right now what our careers need is solidarity to try and retake back our lives one company at a time. I would have a problem with VA guys if they were screwing over the Spirit pilots or any other pilot that was trying to make a stand, but they are not and last I checked they were supporting them. I know VA has new payrates coming out, soon to be available on APC, so lets just wait and see what time brings. I know it won't be a significant increase but for now at least it is an increase and it was done without a union. However, I am hoping those in a position to will do what's right and follow the spirit pilot's example and stand united. My 2 cents, good luck to us all!

 

[waveflyer]

Yeah- I love it- pilots are such a contradiction- total conservatives who don't support unions nor capitalism.

 

[9rj9]

Yep, like republicans that support unions.

 

[BID]

I under stand everyones point. However, in 06 I had an opportunity to go to Allegiant but for reasons that need not be discussed I chose not to and at the time didn't worry to much about it. Back in those days it wasn't until your 9th year I believe that a captain would go over $100 per hr and they only topped at $103. Now the top pay is $153 (still needs work but getting there). I think it is unrealistic to think a new company is going to start with industry leading payrates. Initially they will start low and over time they will come up and it is up to the pilots to try and help that cause along. Right now however, VA's first couple years pay beat out UAL, US Airways (east), and Continental's. Granted VA contract tops out much lower, but last I recall Southwest was not always one of the highest paid pilots and was citicized for their pay. Now thousands of pilots would love to work for Southwest. Right now what our careers need is solidarity to try and retake back our lives one company at a time. I would have a problem with VA guys if they were screwing over the Spirit pilots or any other pilot that was trying to make a stand, but they are not and last I checked they were supporting them. I know VA has new payrates coming out, soon to be available on APC, so lets just wait and see what time brings. I know it won't be a significant increase but for now at least it is an increase and it was done without a union. However, I am hoping those in a position to will do what's right and follow the spirit pilot's example and stand united. My 2 cents, good luck to us all!

VA's pay does not beat CAL in the first couple of years, only in the first year. Don't forget CAL has many 737-800, 900 aircraft so second year pay is closer to 67 dollars. This pay is very low and will hopefully change very soon !