USAPA's _hit list

[Turtle21]

Does this really surprise anyone? We already knew they were a bunch of scumbags. Absolutely no comprehension of right and wrong. It's obvious that their daddy's never took them out behind the toolshed. It's a real pain to have to do it now.

ALPA has a special woodshed for any old dogs who beg for a bone.

 

[linepilot]

I understand that USAPA has delivered a DOH list to Parker. They claimed that the Nic list would never see the light of day. I think the west pilots will be able to thank Parker's procrastination at the negotiating table for this list being the quintessential non-starter. USAPA has taken 6 months to deliver a dead-end document. 12 months from now, when the next representation election could be held, how will they defend themselves from an angry mob of former supporters who pinned their hopes on USAPA? All that dues money for what? A newspaper ad, and permanently scorching the earth with 1800 fellow pilots?

The time will soon be ripe for USAPA's replacement. Not a moment too soon.

They scorched the earth for more that 1800 pilots. History will recount USAPA and their friends at Jetblue as a major factor in the erosion of pilot unity, respect, and wealth. It's a new world for this profession and short-sighted pilots are part of the problem.
We're doing it to ourselves.

 

[ALGFLYR]

It means that when US Airways, again, guts the west and shrinks back to a 3000-pilot northeast regional airline there will be only a handful of Cactus pilots left on the property. It'll be usair again, circa 2004.

Hummm... If this happens, can we change our call sign back to US Air???

 

[PCL_128]

IYou apparently didn't see the transcripts of him admitting to lying to the PDT, PSA, and ALG MECs in 2001 / 2002.

Yes, I have read the transcripts, and no, he didn't lie about anything. Again, the information you are referring to was governed by a confidentiality agreement that Captain Beebe was under with USAirways. He was legally prohibited from disclosing any of that information to the Express pilots or their MECs. He never lied to them, however. Not once did he promise them airplanes. No, he didn't tell them that they weren't going to get the airplanes, but again, he wasn't legally able to.

 

[Bringupthebird]

I thinkg that the USAPAWATCH.com website is the beginning of the movement to oust USAPA by educating pilots to what is going on behind the curtain at USAPA and forcing USAPA to answer the tough questions. Failing that (and all evidence so far points to them failing at that) the pilots will demand a representation election shortly after October 2009 when mature adults will regain control of pilot labor representation.

 

[SKYPLT]

I thinkg that the USAPAWATCH.com website is the beginning of the movement to oust USAPA by educating pilots to what is going on behind the curtain at USAPA and forcing USAPA to answer the tough questions. Failing that (and all evidence so far points to them failing at that) the pilots will demand a representation election shortly after October 2009 when mature adults will regain control of pilot labor representation.

Mature pilots like yourself?

 

[Deadalus]

It means that when US Airways, again, guts the west and shrinks back to a 3000-pilot northeast regional airline there will be only a handful of Cactus pilots left on the property. It'll be usair again, circa 2004.

Yep, and since the East is the big money maker(HA AHHHAHAAAA) they'll be back at the verge of liquadation. Hopefully next time no one will be stupid enough to try and tie off to a sinking ship.

 

[Deadalus]

Hummm... If this happens, can we change our call sign back to US Air???

CACTUS CACTUS CACTUS CACTUS CACTUS CACTUS
CACTUS CACTUS CACTUS CACTUS
CACTUS CACTUS
CACTUS!

 

[Turtle21]

I thinkg that the USAPAWATCH.com website is the beginning of the movement to oust USAPA by educating pilots to what is going on behind the curtain at USAPA and forcing USAPA to answer the tough questions. Failing that (and all evidence so far points to them failing at that) the pilots will demand a representation election shortly after October 2009 when mature adults will regain control of pilot labor representation.

The website really makes me think..

about how great ALPA was..

when they believed in DOH, and voting, and pensions, and RIGS, and paychecks for pilots..

and didn't give membership to scabs.

Yeah, Prater has a lot to offer.

 

[Hpilot]

The website really makes me think..

about how great ALPA was..

when they believed in DOH, and voting, and pensions, and RIGS, and paychecks for pilots..

and didn't give membership to scabs.

Yeah, Prater has a lot to offer.

DOH is fair when it's used within a company, not when merging two companies. 1800 pilots from the aquiring airline to the bottom of 5000 pilots from a near liquadation company. If you think this is fair I'm guessing you say DUH not DOH.

 

[Cobra17]

CACTUS CACTUS CACTUS CACTUS CACTUS CACTUS
CACTUS CACTUS CACTUS CACTUS
CACTUS CACTUS
CACTUS!

Just thought it was worth repeating...one of the all time best call signs! Great to hear it again!

 

[Hpilot]

CACTUS CACTUS CACTUS CACTUS CACTUS CACTUS
CACTUS CACTUS CACTUS CACTUS
CACTUS CACTUS
CACTUS!

I totally agree. CACTUS CACTUS CACTUS CACTUS CACTUS! "Ladies and gentlemen, welcome aboard US Airways FLT ***, owned and operated(bought and payed for) by America West Airlines.

 

[Bringupthebird]

The website really makes me think..

about how great ALPA was..

when they believed in DOH, and voting, and pensions, and RIGS, and paychecks for pilots..

and didn't give membership to scabs.

Yeah, Prater has a lot to offer.

Sounds like USAPA is way ahead of ALPA in the speed in which it gives away all remnants of that which ALPA had gained over the years, in it's blind quest to jam down a DOH seniority list at all costs.

Keep you eyes open!

 

[Hpilot]

Sounds like USAPA is way ahead of ALPA in the speed in which it gives away all remnants of that which ALPA had gained over the years, in it's blind quest to jam down a DOH seniority list at all costs.

Keep you eyes open!

Keeping your(Easties) eyes wide open when your head is up your @ss doesn't do a lot.

 

[328dude]

Yes, I have read the transcripts, and no, he didn't lie about anything. Again, the information you are referring to was governed by a confidentiality agreement that Captain Beebe was under with USAirways. He was legally prohibited from disclosing any of that information to the Express pilots or their MECs. He never lied to them, however. Not once did he promise them airplanes. No, he didn't tell them that they weren't going to get the airplanes, but again, he wasn't legally able to.

As a member of the PSA MEC during that time.....He promised a lot in those meetings which turned out to be false predications in which he knew the truth about. To me, he lied.

 

[Turtle21]

Sounds like USAPA is way ahead of ALPA in the speed in which it gives away ...

ALPA gave away a several billion dollar pension without so much as a vote for the members (though the members demanded a vote and were promised a vote). I won't list the many other votes the members were denied.

ALPA gave away... but..

Today, if there are more give backs (AHAHAHAHA!) then in this case it will be the pilots who do so (AHAHAHHAH!) through a vote that they are responsible for.


I know, I know.. it is really hard to adapt to this concept of membership voting after so many years of only voting when ALPA wilson polls indicated the membership would vote along the ALPO national plan. I know, I know... ALPA always promised us the Wilson polls weren't used to see what they could get away with. The polls were all about learning how to better represent us. If that is true, how come I had the opportunity to participate in ten times more polls than votes?

The days of deferring responsibility to ALPO are over. We are responsible for how we vote... or choosing not to be able to vote.

 

[Bringupthebird]

How many votes has Bradford let you have?

And who was limiting your votes? Hmm, let me see, was it JACK STEPHAN? (You remember him, but he's USAPA's flunky now).

Face it, you traded down to a Yugo out of pride of ownership. The repair bills will eat you alive!

 

[Turtle21]

How many votes has Bradford let you have?

And who was limiting your votes? Hmm, let me see, was it JACK STEPHAN? (You remember him, but he's USAPA's flunky now).

Face it, you traded down to a Yugo out of pride of ownership. The repair bills will eat you alive!

Have you ever considered applying to be an ALPA rep? Or an ex-third wife?

 

[PHXFLYR]

ALPO didn't get those rates. Those rates (Parity +1%) were offered by Wolf as part of a concessionary contract. The givebacks of Duty Rigs, vacation, medical, etc. that were part of that contract ensured everyone worked nearly four more days every month.....

...and you guys signed off on that ?????
Man,you guys are dumber than I thought!! You never, ever give up workrules during negotiations outside of a BK filing, because once you do, they are very difficult to get back. What you did was you gave up workrules in exchange for a one-time payout. Hell,it wasn't even a payraise that came out of Wolf's pocket. It was a payraise that was funded by what you gave back !!! Shhhesh....you guys never cease to amaze.........


PHXFLYR

 

[PHXFLYR]

Just thought it was worth repeating...one of the all time best call signs! Great to hear it again!

Thanks,Cobra. I have to agree, although you can say I'm a little biased....

Cheers
:beer:


PHXFLYR