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Does voting YES cause the most harm to EAST pilots? That is how I am looking at it. USAPA has painted themselves into a no-win corner and we now face a take it or leave it vote due to the CLT brain trust. I now see how LOA 93 and pension lost happen out east, overplaying your hand and mis-information from your union handlers. At least the end of USAPA looks near and we can all string out not paying USAPA to get a little value back from the worst experiment in pilot leadership ever....
 
If I were to vote today it would be yes.
However, I will be open minded enough to change to no if convinced by more information.
 
Does voting YES cause the most harm to EAST pilots? That is how I am looking at it. USAPA has painted themselves into a no-win corner and we now face a take it or leave it vote due to the CLT brain trust. I now see how LOA 93 and pension lost happen out east, overplaying your hand and mis-information from your union handlers. At least the end of USAPA looks near and we can all string out not paying USAPA to get a little value back from the worst experiment in pilot leadership ever....

Carl you are so right the mis-information from ALPA local and national was dispicable. I hope APA will be a little less corrupt, immoral and down right less dispicable but somehow I don't think it will be.
 
Hmm, local ALPA was all US pilots and ALPA national had a US pilot at the executive level. So who did you need to protect you from yourself? APA?

The east pilots have a knack for turning anyone and everyone into a Saturday-morning cartoon villain, so unfortunately you are probably right, until the east pilots mature a little.
 
What's next, call me "Yellow"? Threaten to have your dad come punch my dad in the nose? Wake up and smell the injunction and vote YES.

-- 15-20% reduction per year of the fleet
-- unlimited code share on AA AND any other code share partner that AA has or WILL GET in the future
-- nearly unlimited expansion of Express

Explain how any pilot votes for that and retains any notion of having self-respect, or any sliver of respect for the profession.
 
Hmm, local ALPA was all US pilots and ALPA national had a US pilot at the executive level. So who did you need to protect you from yourself? APA?

The east pilots have a knack for turning anyone and everyone into a Saturday-morning cartoon villain, so unfortunately you are probably right, until the east pilots mature a little.

Hi Birdie,

I paid a crap load of money to ALPA national. I wrongly thought they would at least do a little bit of suppervision but as history has shown you pay for the magazine and nothing else.
 
-- 15-20% reduction per year of the fleet
-- unlimited code share on AA AND any other code share partner that AA has or WILL GET in the future
-- nearly unlimited expansion of Express

Explain how any pilot votes for that and retains any notion of having self-respect, or any sliver of respect for the profession.

When APA recently put out a vote, it was essentially AA saying "give this to us....or we'll take it anyway". There was not a good side. Voting it down sent the message, "if you want it, we'll make you take it from us." This MOU is basically, "take this little bit of good, because the we're going to cram the rest up your backside regardless." End result? There are going to be some downsides and refusing a pay raise with the inevitable doesn't show self respect, it demonstrates ignorant hardheadedness. On the other side of the coin, at least you can say you were consistent.

Hi Birdie,

I paid a crap load of money to ALPA national. I wrongly thought they would at least do a little bit of suppervision but as history has shown you pay for the magazine and nothing else.

At least with ALPA, you got a magazine. What promise has USAPA delivered? Zero.
 
If there is a merger, will the USAIR pilots just staple the AAL pilots to the bottom of the list? That's what American pilots have done to ever pilot group they've ever merged with. It would be sweet justice.
 
If there is a merger, will the USAIR pilots just staple the AAL pilots to the bottom of the list? That's what American pilots have done to ever pilot group they've ever merged with. It would be sweet justice.

The law doesn't allow that anymore.
 
-- 15-20% reduction per year of the fleet
-- unlimited code share on AA AND any other code share partner that AA has or WILL GET in the future
-- nearly unlimited expansion of Express

Explain how any pilot votes for that and retains any notion of having self-respect, or any sliver of respect for the profession.

Wait, there is any slivers of respect for the profession now? With our current situation? Dang, I must have missed that.

<----- On the fence about how to vote. It's a poop sandwich for sure, but which is the lesser of two evils??? (Going to the road-shows with an open mind...)
 
Wait, there is any slivers of respect for the profession now? With our current situation? Dang, I must have missed that.

<----- On the fence about how to vote. It's a poop sandwich for sure, but which is the lesser of two evils??? (Going to the road-shows with an open mind...)

Don't need to worry about being on the fence any more
 
Don't have to worry about how to vote this holiday weekend!!!! USAPA over playing their hand once again it seems......
 
Don't have to worry about how to vote this holiday weekend!!!! USAPA over playing their hand once again it seems......

Parker is attempting to play the pilots for fools. He yanked the MOU because he knew the BPR would be stronger when the members rejected the MOU in their ratification vote (a vote the pilots have been eager to have after all these years of negotiations).

Parker is attempting to weaken the BPR by separating them from the members by blaming the BPR for the removal of the MOU.

Pilots that are fool enough to blame each other for the hot poker that DUI is sticking us with....
 
Parker is attempting to play the pilots for fools. He yanked the MOU because he knew the BPR would be stronger when the members rejected the MOU in their ratification vote (a vote the pilots have been eager to have after all these years of negotiations).

Parker is attempting to weaken the BPR by separating them from the members by blaming the BPR for the removal of the MOU.

Pilots that are fool enough to blame each other for the hot poker that DUI is sticking us with....

Parker pulled mou because he a) does not want the embarrassment of a certain no vote by shortsighted membership because BPR recommends no; b) he needs no mou to merge (though it improves the story he has to tell the UCC in a meaningful way); c) wishes to grant the LCC pilots their apparent wish to live at not just a pay disparity to AWA pilots but AAL too.

Pilots at LCC need to hear from and listen to not just their peers in a crew room but negotiators and advisors who were in the room. To form an opinion otherwise is to craft your own uninformed opinion by listening and embracing another one similarly formed.

It's as crazy as AAL pilots now suggesting AMR is being "punitive" for not granting them the terms and benefits of a TA they just voted against.

Gives me a headache just watching this circus.
 

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