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No more Mr. Nice guy line pilot out East. The line pilots have spoken and we want nothing to do with what our ALPA reps and ALPA did with our careers.
M

And here I thought nothing could top "USAir setting itself up for a merger", but you have!

Yes you want nothing to do with the union that got you the best pay and work rules in the industry, who championed more advances in flight safety than any other organization in history, who fought for flight and duty regulations who in short accomplished something.

On the other hand, there's USAPA...

No more Mr. Smart Guy line pilot out east obviously
 
Good for the West pilot. USAPA isn't a union, it's an unprincipled mob and pilots should not be required to pay a mob whose intent is to not honor a pilots seniority.


I don't disagree with the sentiment in the slightest; unfortunately, as a matter of US federal labor law, USAPA is the duly elected negotiating authority for both pilot groups . . . i.e., it's their union.
 
Final and Binding. Kind of like when OJ Simpson got his final and binding.
"Your pilot group".you say.That was ALPA idiots who signed away our pension and gave our jobs to Republic. We as line pilots were just on the side line.

Now we had enough of this abortion and are taking things in our own hands. No more Mr. Nice guy line pilot out East. The line pilots have spoken and we want nothing to do with what our ALPA reps and ALPA did with our careers. A real pilots Union was formed.
No more GIA mentality that one can skip years and take a windfall. Relative seniority is a complete joke. No real Union would stand for such nonsense. United is seeing the light to. As Prater would say. We are taking it back. But we mean it.

M

Small problem Easthole...you're on the wrong side of the law.
 
At the airline I worked for, an ALPA carried, and it was 10 years ago, you could not join the union, but they took the dues out of your paycheck anyway, it was one of the standard deductions. Has that changed in the years I've been away?
 
Hugh:

The RLA hasn't changed in many years. It's called Agency Shop and it applies to all US unionized airlines. Membership is optional but if you're a non-member you pay either an Agency Fee equal to full union dues or you can be a dues objector and pay around 85% of full dues.
 
Hugh:

The RLA hasn't changed in many years. It's called Agency Shop and it applies to all US unionized airlines. Membership is optional but if you're a non-member you pay either an Agency Fee equal to full union dues or you can be a dues objector and pay around 85% of full dues.

That assumes the "Union" was properly formed and working in the common interest of all parties. 2800 out of 5300 pilots are non payers. All 4 USAPA is attempting to fire are West...two are female. They'll lose arbitration and the company is loath to fire a pilot for non-payment. Why would they risk the discrimination suit?

USAPA and the merry band of impotents that run it are pathetic jokes.
 
I'm just waiting for callsign "United";) .

Gee, I wonder if the UAL kids will vote to keep USAPA. Any UALers out there? How do you feel about the former AAA crew and USAPA?.......Flame On!!
 
Here's the really ironic thing. USAPA is now seeking arbitration since they didn't like the company's answer on not firing the West Pilots. It's hilarious, USAPA now wants arbitration (but only for the 4 West Pilots they want fired) ... will they stand by the arbitrator's ruling?

From the USAPA Update:

Item Two: USAPA has taken action to compel the Company to enforce Section 29 of both the East and West Collective Bargaining Agreements. In both contracts, Section 29 deals with the pilots’ financial obligation to the Bargaining Agent and termination of pilots who refuse to pay either dues, if a member, or at least the agency fees, if a non member. On Thursday the Company advised USAPA that they are declining to proceed with the termination of certain pilots due to USAPA’s alleged non-compliance with certain technical requirements.

Pursuant to Section 29, USAPA intends to appeal the Company decision to a neutral arbitrator for the purpose of obtaining an order requiring the Company to terminate the pilots in question. The costs of each arbitration will be split between USAPA and the individual pilot concerned.

USAPA has no desire to cause the termination of any pilot, East or West, but we have a duty to those who are currently fulfilling their financial obligation to compel all pilots to pay their fair share of the costs of running this union. The courts have continually upheld the principle of Agency Fee payment when an Agency Shop or security clause is in the contract, and as the aforementioned arguments are made before the neutral arbitrator we intend to move forward enforcing Section 29 as needed.
 
Why would a pilot agree to arbitration? If USAPA has a beef with how the company interpreted their actions, they should sue the company. Instead they pick on a softer target and then unilaterally decide that they will share the arbitration costs. If the pilot is not a member, they are not compelled to participate in arbitration outlined in the napkin that is the C&BL's (napkin2.0).

Bradford doesn't really understand his place in the real world, does he?
 

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