USAPA sues some America West Pilots

[PCL_128]

Sure...but first, "the seriousness of the two issues." Are you joking? What else would I be talking about? Do you think I think West pilots are not serio-- do you think the East pilots are serious about these issues?



No...very different principles and...you said bedrock principles, not just principles found in any "writ of the Rhelm". The Continental Congress spent huge amounts of time researching what would be the American philosophy of government that was remarkably different that that of George III's Kingdom.

The wrtings of Locke, Montesquieu, Blackstone were the top three thinkers cited the most by the Founders. Get this: there is one primary source cited more than any other document. The Founders cited this source...in regards to political theory and judicial law--four times more than Montesquieu and Blackstone, twelve times more than Locke. What was the source? The Bible (source: The Origins of American Constitutionalism, Lutz, LSU Press. p143.

So, before you take any moral high ground based on bedrock principles, especially support of those involved in alleged criminal felony acts against someone/thing you find morally reprehensible, make sure you put into practice those bedrock principles. The outcome may be different. The success of this great country is because of those bedrock principles.

Your comparison to them with this issue as a "wink and nod" and accolade to alleged felony behavior (of any kind from any individual on either side) is...bad form and unprofessional.

"Liberty cannot be preserved without a general knowledge among the people... Be not intimidated, therefore, by any terrors, from publishing with the utmost freedom...nor suffer yourselves to be wheedled out of your liberty by any pretenses of politeness, delicacy, or decency. These, as they are often used, are but three different names for hypocrisy, chicanery, and cowardice." ~ John Adams

T8

Thank God for an intelligent East pilot, finally! We still disagree, but at least you show signs of intelligence, unlike the impostor Bdfg1.

You're looking more towards the actions of the Continental Congress in the forming of our Constitution, whereas I'm looking much earlier, at revolutionary times while we were still under the yoke of King George. During the revolution, many illegal and arguably unethical acts were carried out by revolutionaries such as Thomas Paine and Samuel Adams. Hell, simply disavowing the King was in and of itself an illegal act! These actions had to be taken so we could reach a point where a new congress could form a more just form of government.

 

[Bdfg1]

Thank God for an intelligent East pilot, finally! We still disagree, but at least you show signs of intelligence, unlike the impostor Bdfg1.

You're looking more towards the actions of the Continental Congress in the forming of our Constitution, whereas I'm looking much earlier, at revolutionary times while we were still under the yoke of King George. During the revolution, many illegal and arguably unethical acts were carried out by revolutionaries such as Thomas Paine and Samuel Adams. Hell, simply disavowing the King was in and of itself an illegal act! These actions had to be taken so we could reach a point where a new congress could form a more just form of government.

Pure intelligence presented right there haha.

See ya!

 

[eaglesview]

ahhh good night sleep, up early, waiting to see who throws the first stone today.

 

[trainer8]

Thank God for an intelligent East pilot, finally! We still disagree, but at least you show signs of intelligence, unlike the impostor Bdfg1.

I don't work for LCC, but the pilots of LCCC are who mentored me into what I do today as a professional pilot. Intelligence has more to do with how I choose to react to adversity.

You're looking more towards the actions of the Continental Congress in the forming of our Constitution, whereas I'm looking much earlier, at revolutionary times while we were still under the yoke of King George. During the revolution, many illegal and arguably unethical acts were carried out by revolutionaries such as Thomas Paine and Samuel Adams. Hell, simply disavowing the King was in and of itself an illegal act! These actions had to be taken so we could reach a point where a new congress could form a more just form of government.

No, I'm looking at bedrock priniciples. Those gentlemen came together in Philadelphia (not Williamsburg) Do you know how long the Convention met? Probably not. But, sure, those acts to place. But to espouse them as the hallmark of the principles of the founding of this country is foolish. You are accomodating your feelings and actions.

McCollough/Hanks just did the John Adams series on HBO. There is a scene depicted in the book and in the screen play of the tar and feathering of and individual (during the Stamp Act protests). John Adams' reaction was disgust, calling the act "barbarianism."

Seems to me codoning the acts of alleged criminal felonies is in my view immature at least and at best, borderline accessory. It violates your ALPA ethics as well, which is interesting to me since, you are probably the most outspoken advocate of ALPA on this board.

"Facts are stubborn things" --John Adams

T8

 

[PHXFLYR]

PHX:
Facts don't make a bit of difference. Take Steven for instance. He's been outed. Proved as a fake, and still it doesn't matter. Those scabs are on a self destruct mission. Problem is you guys are along for the ride. You truly have my sympathies when dealing with scum like them!

737

Thanks Pylt

Appreciate the sentiment. If I remember, I think you said you fly for Delta. If that's the case you might want to make sure that and the NW guys try to get as much of your merger issues squared away as possible on your own rather than let it reach the mediation and arbitration phases. Nobody wins when a third party enters the process to call the shots for you. Anyway ,thanks again for your support. Always thought you Delta guys were a class act. But then I'm a little biased. My wife's an agent with you guys.
Cheers
:beer:

PHXFLYR

 

[PHXFLYR]

What are you doing???!!! Facts don't matter to those guys!!! Majority rules right? That's all that matters.

Maybe in their little corner of the world. But somehow I think a judge will find otherwise.Just might take a while to get the case heard. What's that saying ? Tyranny of the majority or something like that ?


PHXFLYR

 

[trainer8]

Maybe in their little corner of the world. But somehow I think a judge will find otherwise.Just might take a while to get the case heard. What's that saying ? Tyranny of the majority or something like that ?


PHXFLYR

Quick comment...we've all thought the judge or arbitrator or vote would go one way. You early on predicted the USAPA was a flash in the pan and would not oust ALPA from LCC.

Judges are fickle but, must make decisions on precedent. USPS violations, on the other hand, have a long standing precedent. I wouldn't count a dismissal out just yet. The case, while seemingly juvenile, may have merit.

T8

 

[737 Pylt]

This is rich. School girl mentality(can't blame ya though since you only have a high school education).
This is rich Degree Mill Steven.....Just because you don't have a college degree doesn't mean everyone doesn't. Did you ever get your HS ring back from your man?

Remember you wrote it Steven:

I was dead set on keeping ALPA on the property. That is until you began to chime in. Thanks for changing my mind and voting ALPA out. You deserve a medal.

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And then you wrote:​

Never said I take it for granted. As you pointed out I'm "training PSA pilots since I'm a J4J Capt." Looks like I'm taking advantage of it.

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I offer up scanned copies of my documents to prove to this pft guy what I claim. His response, "You could easily send the docs of a friend or room mate. That doesn't prove anything." You are too much. Refusing to accpet the proof offered cause it will indeed show you as the liar that you are.

See ya!

And yet you've been proven the liar that you are Steven. Proof is in your own writing. I realize thinking isn't part of your mentality as you didn't attend college, but don't worry Steven, some day you can get that real dimploma degree mill Steven.

Buh Bye Steven.
Your $6.7 billion loss pal,

737

 

[eaglesview]

Oh I know usapa's band of merry men band are busy working on their little DOH list, It won't stick, management has already accepted the NIC,

That's not true.

 

[Ocity]

That's not true.

It's 100% true. It's just not being used because they lack a joint contract.