USAPA Runoff election

[BeCareful!]

Be Careful-

So you think that the east pilots should not be held responsible for their votes on USAPA, their votes for leadership(?), and their behavior towards west pilots (requiring separate crew vans)? Should we ignore USAPA's advice to "Watch what they do, not what they say" when it actually applies to USAPA?

The comments about east pilots may be unnecessary and counter-productive, but they aren't un-earned.

Bird,

I'm not sure what you are referring to here. Something I said? In any case, I see that you are now claiming some unprofessional conduct or behavior that requires separate vans. Not aware of this, but I have seen a photo of a mural in a west airbus that was for the benefit of our passengers while they were boarding. I've seen aggressive and just utterly stupid moves by west pilots in CLT. And...the funniest!....was one of your guys having a loud conversation with the guy who tries to get passengers to sign up for the credit card in the terminal. OMG it was hilarious listening to this fine aviator attempting to educate the credit card guy about union this and arbitration that. What an absolute tool.

Anyway dude, I don't have time for this crap today. Take care.

 

[PHXFLYR]

A non member is a non member, how can they be subject to the C&BLs of an Association they are not members of? Contract maintenance fees, sure, representational costs sure, but assessments due to a failure to properly represent them? That's a stretch.

That's what I thought , too and is why I posted " I'm not sure'" at the end of my post. But then again this is USAPA we're talking about where anything is possible...

PHXFLYR

A Proud Non-Member

 

[PHXFLYR]

USAPA doesn't represent the "east" or "west". It represents the pilots of US Airways.

That's funny.........

PHXFLYR

A Proud Non-Member

 

[PHXFLYR]

No, that's only your view of the problem. I think your use of the word "pathetic" is the problem. That pilot, whoever he is, doesn't deserve to be referred to that way. Nor does the guy one number senior to him who didn't get furloughed. Their both human beings who fly aircraft for an airline. Neither one did anything "wrong" and your characterization of this guy as pathetic says a lot about you and your group.

I can't wait till the next merge when masses of you change your tune and start screaming DOH.

..and lower ourselves to your level ??? YGTBSM.

PHXFLYR

 

[PHXFLYR]

Oh...big letters.....must be true, and important. Your take on this is laughable. USAPA is in fact conducting day-to-day business in much the same way any union does. (Witness the recent screw up in the west schedules and the resulting action.) You can take them just as non-seriously as you wish, but it doesn't make your allegations true, nor does it change anything. Yeah, it's a new organization and a work in progress. So-the-f&%#-what? You boys are so g'damn critical of everything USAPA does, totally ignore the hard work that's been done and continues (yes, even on your hateful behalf) and yet you're telling me to open my eyes? Whatever, we all know why you behave like that; if I had an un-cashed winning lottery ticket, I'd be squirrly too.

Corruption? Collusion? With the pension investigation gaining momentum, we'll soon see who's corrupt, and my strong suspicion is that ALPA has a lot of dirt on its hands in this one.

But whatever, you probably know best since you're west and all. That's how it goes here on FI.com

Hellloooo.......Hate to break it to you but the PBS Chairman is a West Pilot who joined USAPA under much duress so as to oversee the proper running and management of the PBS system by the company. The reason he chose to is because no one at USAPA took the time to fully understand the pros and cons of PBS or how it worked, nor did they make any attempt to learn , and as a result he was afraid USAPA was going to let things slide as far as west scheduling isues were concerned. He filled the same position while ALPA was on the propertyfor us on the west side prior to the merger. Sure,your boy joined him when they went to PHX the other week to sort out the west scheduling mess ,but from what we've been told, he kind of sat there like a puppy watching TV ( ie. He knew he was looking at something but couldn't figure out exactly what it was ) and as a result didn't have much to say. So once again, it was more a west pilot who joined USAP under duress looking out for west pilot's interests who corrected the problem, and not the moral victory you USAPA -types are trying to make it out to be.

PHXFLYR

A Proud Non-Member

PS. By the way, nice language....

 

[BeCareful!]

..and lower ourselves to your level ??? YGTBSM.

PHXFLYR

Lower yourselves? This coming from a group that has actual strikebreakers? No, PHX, YGBSM!

 

[cactusboy53]

Oh by the way, DOH MEANS NOTHING!-Screams the PFT crowd of the 90's. Its all about Me, Me, Me and how a Westhole can leapfrog 20 years of service. A probation pilot being senior to someone who has 17 years of service will not fly. Sorry PFTrainers.

When the Nic list came out, it was not even close to relative seniority. 1/3 of the pilot list was not included. Active USAIR pilots were listed as furloughed.

M

Marty;
The list is the list. If we could do it all over again, I would rally to make Captain Randy McNerlin #1....oh well....final is final and binding is binding.

BTW,
You must have missed my question directed to you earlier in this thread:

Okay Marty. Are you or are you not a pilot for US Airways? If not, are you married to a pilot or related to a pilot for US Airways?

Well?? You have been quoted several times that you do not work for LCC. If so, why would you care??

 

[reepicheep]

Lay off Marty.....his comments are at least entertaining and God knows there's no job or interview info right now to read about on FI.

 

[PHXFLYR]

Lower yourselves? This coming from a group that has actual strikebreakers? No, PHX, YGBSM!

Maybe so, but the last 2 left on the property are senior to you on the NIC list......

PHXFLYR

 

[BeCareful!]

Maybe so, but the last 2 left on the property are senior to you on the NIC list......

PHXFLYR

Wow, so you're a proud non-member, and apparently proud of your strikebreakers, too. Jeeze I hope those rumors about Doug selling the west to CAL are true!

 

[PHXFLYR]

Nope, not proud of the strikebreakers at all. Just a proud non-member of USAPA. By the way, I meant to ask you a question a while back but I forgot. Are you an east flight attendant or an east pilot ? The way you take all these rumors to heart that you keep posting on this board makes me think that your the former of the two and not a pilot at all....Could that be ?


PHXFLYR

A Proud Non-Member

 

[BeCareful!]

Ha...you caught me. I used to be a pilot but went FA instead. After the operation it just made sense. What rumors are you refering to?

 

[PCL_128]

Who do you think is smarter: Judge Wake or counselor Seham?

That's like asking "who do you think is smarter: Judge Wake or a rock?"

Actually, I take that back. That's offensive to the rock.

 

[eaglesview]

Man this crap is getting old. The nic is as ridiculous as was the USAir's atttempt at negotiating. Neither side has one you both lost. I hope cooler heads than are hear at FI prevail.

 

[cactusboy53]

Man this crap is getting old. The nic is as ridiculous as was the USAir's attempt at negotiating. Neither side has one you both lost. I hope cooler heads than are hear at FI prevail.

Eagle;
Of what attempt at negotiating do you speak? Surely not negotiating the merged seniority list? I believe the East "negotiating" tactic was DATE OF HIRE. Cooler heads did prevail when the West tactic was not to STAPLE, but to seek some sort of relative seniority.

Is your opinion of the Nicolau award the result of having read the transcripts to see what was argued, and how Mr. Nicolau and the two neutrals came to their decision? My bet is NO.

You are right, this crap is getting really OLD. We will not quit, we will not go away, and we will not go silently into the night. We will continue any and all legal avenues available to us to complete the merged seniority list that was delivered by Mr. Nicolau.