USAPA Runoff election

[PHXFLYR]

Nope, not proud of the strikebreakers at all. Just a proud non-member of USAPA. By the way, I meant to ask you a question a while back but I forgot. Are you an east flight attendant or an east pilot ? The way you take all these rumors to heart that you keep posting on this board makes me think that your the former of the two and not a pilot at all....Could that be ?


PHXFLYR

A Proud Non-Member

 

[BeCareful!]

Ha...you caught me. I used to be a pilot but went FA instead. After the operation it just made sense. What rumors are you refering to?

 

[PCL_128]

Who do you think is smarter: Judge Wake or counselor Seham?

That's like asking "who do you think is smarter: Judge Wake or a rock?"

Actually, I take that back. That's offensive to the rock.

 

[eaglesview]

Man this crap is getting old. The nic is as ridiculous as was the USAir's atttempt at negotiating. Neither side has one you both lost. I hope cooler heads than are hear at FI prevail.

 

[cactusboy53]

Man this crap is getting old. The nic is as ridiculous as was the USAir's attempt at negotiating. Neither side has one you both lost. I hope cooler heads than are hear at FI prevail.

Eagle;
Of what attempt at negotiating do you speak? Surely not negotiating the merged seniority list? I believe the East "negotiating" tactic was DATE OF HIRE. Cooler heads did prevail when the West tactic was not to STAPLE, but to seek some sort of relative seniority.

Is your opinion of the Nicolau award the result of having read the transcripts to see what was argued, and how Mr. Nicolau and the two neutrals came to their decision? My bet is NO.

You are right, this crap is getting really OLD. We will not quit, we will not go away, and we will not go silently into the night. We will continue any and all legal avenues available to us to complete the merged seniority list that was delivered by Mr. Nicolau.

 

[TWA Dude]

The nic is as ridiculous as was the USAir's atttempt at negotiating.

What's "ridiculous" about Nicolau's decision? Why is it wrong to say the bottom active pilots of two airlines are equivolent in seniority? Don't forget, years of service is called longevity. Seniorty is based on how many pilots are junior to you.

Neither side has one you both lost.

That was true until the Easties tried to tip things in their favor. We're trying to stop that underhanded attempt.

I hope cooler heads than are hear at FI prevail.

Judge Wake seems to have a pretty cool head. I say let him decide.

 

[eaglesview]

What's "ridiculous" about Nicolau's decision? Why is it wrong to say the bottom active pilots of two airlines are equivolent in seniority? Don't forget, years of service is called longevity. Seniorty is based on how many pilots are junior to you.That was true until the Easties tried to tip things in their favor. We're trying to stop that underhanded attempt.Judge Wake seems to have a pretty cool head. I say let him decide.

Like I said getting really old. Both sides have their point of view and are not listening to the other side. In the end your both $crewing yorselves.

 

[TWA Dude]

In the end your both $crewing yorselves.

I'm sorry, but did you forget which side withdrew from joint contract negotiations in 2007 to begin this war? The West did not start this. Is it your contention that the we should just give in? I don't think you would do that yourself in the same situation so it's rather disingenuous for you to lecture us.

 

[AutoBus]

Eagle;
Of what attempt at negotiating do you speak? Surely not negotiating the merged seniority list? I believe the East "negotiating" tactic was DATE OF HIRE. Cooler heads did prevail when the West tactic was not to STAPLE, but to seek some sort of relative seniority.

Is your opinion of the Nicolau award the result of having read the transcripts to see what was argued, and how Mr. Nicolau and the two neutrals came to their decision? My bet is NO.

You are right, this crap is getting really OLD. We will not quit, we will not go away, and we will not go silently into the night. We will continue any and all legal avenues available to us to complete the merged seniority list that was delivered by Mr. Nicolau.

Thank you!

 

[AutoBus]

Like I said getting really old. Both sides have their point of view and are not listening to the other side. In the end your both $crewing yorselves.

OK dude what would you do? Let me guess, let a third party dicide? Well we did that already and guess what? the EAST DID NOT LIKE WHAT THEY SAID, their poor little egos were hurt! So now what?

After all they all had expectations of being wide body captains, well maybe in the late 90's under gangball, certainly not in April of 2005 under lakewood when they were weeks from doing a EAL, PanAm or Braniff.

Any Doubts? when a certain CEO was asked why we did not get a PREP-NUP like DAL-NWA in a SEMI PUBLIC CREW NEWS VIDEO, He emphatically said "we didn't have time! US AIRWAYS WAS JUST WEEKS FROM GOING AWAY!"

Well Sir, You don't get a prize for being weeks from going away!

Conspiracy Theirists proceed!

 

[eaglesview]

OK dude what would you do? Let me guess, let a third party dicide? Well we did that already and guess what? the EAST DID NOT LIKE WHAT THEY SAID, their poor little egos were hurt! So now what?

After all they all had expectations of being wide body captains, well maybe in the late 90's under gangball, certainly not in April of 2005 under lakewood when they were weeks from doing a EAL, PanAm or Braniff.

Any Doubts? when a certain CEO was asked why we did not get a PREP-NUP like DAL-NWA in a SEMI PUBLIC CREW NEWS VIDEO, He emphatically said "we didn't have time! US AIRWAYS WAS JUST WEEKS FROM GOING AWAY!"

Well Sir, You don't get a prize for being weeks from going away!

Conspiracy Theirists proceed!

Yeah ok, Weeks from going away. Aint buying that. Airlines hang around for years when they are "weeks from going away." How many years was TWA going out of business next week. My statemant stands, your both $crewing yourselves.

 

[PHXFLYR]

If so,what concern is it of yours ? I believe on some other post you made mention of the fact that youre a United pilot. If that's the case, I think you would be more concerned about your own problems over there rather than what's going on between the east and west pilots of USAir; don'tcha think ??? I know I would be. Unless of course you have the poor misfortune of being married to and/ or dating a USAir goon.....

PHXFLYR

A Proud non-member

 

[TWA Dude]

Notice how not one Eastie or East-sympathiser/apologist has chimed in to say he believes USAPA will win the DFR trial on its legal merits? For those who are unfamiliar the trial beginning April 28 is exclusively on the issue of DFR. Is there anybody who actually believes a union can legally alter an established seniority list to advantage one pilot group over another? Stay tuned to what the jury decides in early May.

 

[PHXFLYR]

Yeah ok, Weeks from going away. Aint buying that. Airlines hang around for years when they are "weeks from going away." How many years was TWA going out of business next week. My statemant stands, your both $crewing yourselves.

...and the only reason why they hung around for as long as they did,especially in the case of TWA and Pan Am is because they had a multitude of non-core assets that they were able to sell. International routes,unused route authority,hotel chains,flight catering kitchens , meterological services, hell, in the case of Pan Am, a space services Company that did NASA contract work during the Gemini and Apollo moon shots. In other words, they were burning the furniture to keep the house warm. And guess what? Once there was no more furniture left to burn (ie. no more assets to sell ) those companies were gone. Now compare those lingering deaths to Braniff 2 , Midway 1 and 2, Air Florida, People Express , Vanguard and a host of other carriers with no assets to sell when they started losing coin, and you can very well see that those Bankruptcy filings and eventual liquadations were much more immediate than the Pan Am and TWA scenarios you indirectly refer to. I'm hoping I'm wrong about this, but I truly believe that the current financial condition of USAirways places us squarely in the latter of the 2 airline groupings in that if we file Chapter 11 ,liquidation won't be very far behind.




PHXFLYR

A Proud non-member

 

[BeCareful!]

Notice how not one Eastie or East-sympathiser/apologist has chimed in to say he believes USAPA will win the DFR trial on its legal merits? For those who are unfamiliar the trial beginning April 28 is exclusively on the issue of DFR. Is there anybody who actually believes a union can legally alter an established seniority list to advantage one pilot group over another? Stay tuned to what the jury decides in early May.

Yeah, I noticed that.

Probably has more to do with a guy's view of the importance of Internet ramblings than with whether or not he feels one side or the other will win round one.

Established list? Not without a single contract.
Advantage to one group? From what starting point? The as yet unused list? Good thing the court of law isn't conducted on an anonymous web board, where there's no accountability for the use of inflammatory and bogus terms that serve only to skew opinion (and to appease the writers sense of righteous self-importance).

 

[Colonel Savage]

...and the only reason why they hung around for as long as they did,especially in the case of TWA and Pan Am is because they had a multitude of non-core assets that they were able to sell. International routes,unused route authority,hotel chains,flight catering kitchens , meterological services, hell, in the case of Pan Am, a space services Company that did NASA contract work during the Gemini and Apollo moon shots. In other words, they were burning the furniture to keep the house warm. And guess what? Once there was no more furniture left to burn (ie. no more assets to sell ) those companies were gone. Now compare those lingering deaths to Braniff 2 , Midway 1 and 2, Air Florida, People Express , Vanguard and a host of other carriers with no assets to sell when they started losing coin, and you can very well see that those Bankruptcy filings and eventual liquadations were much more immediate than the Pan Am and TWA scenarios you indirectly refer to. I'm hoping I'm wrong about this, but I truly believe that the current financial condition of USAirways places us squarely in the latter of the 2 airline groupings in that if we file Chapter 11 ,liquidation won't be very far behind.




PHXFLYR

A Proud non-member

Is there talk about a Chap 11?

 

[captfred]

No talk of Chapter 11. "Scooter" Kirby recently said he expects us to make a profit for the year 2009.

 

[Colonel Savage]

No talk of Chapter 11. "Scooter" Kirby recently said he expects us to make a profit for the year 2009.

I heard he had said that, that's why I checked. Who'd you fly the Whale for?

 

[PHXFLYR]

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PHXFLYR

A Proud non-member

 

[Colonel Savage]

Who do you think he flew the Whale for ?

PHXFLYR

A Proud non-member

Ah ha, AWA...Been so long I forgot.