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USAPA is serious this time

Cowboy75

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Your representatives are in CLT this week for the BPR meeting. On Wednesday the most important item discussed was section 29. Ladies and gentlemen USAPA is serious this time. The treasurer informed us that USAPA is owed $2.3 million. Member or objector, it is time to pay up.

USAPA is been trying for months to get pilots fired under section 29. Looks like they are getting desperate for money since USAPA has been found guilty of DFR.

Judge Wake is to issue an injunctive remedy on June 20th. The trial for damages starts on August 11th.

The noose is tightening.
 

Jar Jar

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You'd expect to receive a DFR damages settlement without ever having paid a dime in dues?
 

regionaltard

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Seaham must be sporting a FUPM bracelet these days.
 

Ocity

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You'd expect to receive a DFR damages settlement without ever having paid a dime in dues?

Absolutely.

Labor Unions have a LEGAL OBLIGATION to fairly represent ALL of it's constituents...members and non members alike.

There is no Federal Law requiring participation in a labor union.

It's been well over a year and the inbreds at USAPA still don't understand what their legal obligations actually are...not surprising since they never had any intention to actually represent a west pilot from day one.
 

michael707767

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USAPA is serious this time? Oh no, I'm scared. A more worthless bunch of fools I have never observed in my life.
 

Carl S.

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Bills are coming due for USAPA, they need cash ASAP! They want to muscle the West pilots before the Suzie Arb. result comes in and the possibly of maybe being out 1.5 Mil. No refunds for overpayment if Suzie wins, so pay or play if you get the lucky green card in the mail this week!

One question to the USAPA faithful, how does the Section 29 process go to the hundreds out East who have not paid go? Don't want to fracture the loose DOH Band of Brothers do we with Section 29 proceedings do we?
 

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You Westies are a piece of work.

I thought this would be over in February. This is far from over and like the Air Wisconsin pilots, USAIR pilots will fight til the end.

Air Wisconsin was the first airline to be put in to trusteeship by ALPA, thus allowing the cram down of the seniority list with MVA. (Mississippi Valley)

Air Wisconsin went always date of hire with C and R (Aspen, MAX), with the expection of the MVA merger and look, it came out just like the AWA AAA merger. A huge mess. Just ask some of the 1978 Air Wisconsin DOH how they feel about MVA and how ALPA screwed them. The few that are left still hate each other after 30 years . The DOH mergers all worked out fine, because sooner or latter you will respect it.

Air Wisconsin tried everything, just like the the USAIR pilots to get rid of a flawed SLI. The 50 that are left are mostly MVA and enjoyed their Windfall at the expense of original Whiskey pilots. When United downsized them to 16 146 all the MVA pilots were able to hold on. History does repeat itself. DOH is the only fair way and history proves it. United will soon be asking for DOH because times change, your DOH does not. Trying to leapfrog many years of service is greed at its purest.

Longevity has everything to do with DOH.

Everything is based on DOH.

The greedy- I want to fly jets now PFT crowd of the 90's- just do not get it. A lost generation that is focused on me and not the big picture.

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Bringupthebird

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I have to admire USAPA's transparency. Their alterior motives are plainly evident every single time.

Kind of like a 3-year-old that way. Charming.:(
 

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The idea of USAPA trying to enforce agency shop provisions after having just been found guilty of breach of DFR is absolutely laughable. You think there's even the slightest chance in hell that Doogie is going to enforce your agency shop provisions for you? Keep dreaming. If you try taking it to court, a judge would remand it to the grievance process as a "minor dispute," and then the arbitrator would laugh hysterically at you. These USAPA guys really need a dose of reality. :rolleyes:
 

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keep in mind that even in a closed shop you can refust to pay full dues, you can pay administrative costs which are directly related to negotiations. Since USAPA has walked away from the negotiations table there can be no costs associated with these negotiations - ergo administrative costs should be approx $0
 

Scope out RJ's

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You Westies are a piece of work.
And you as an outsiders are a big joke!

I thought this would be over in February. This is far from over and like the Air Wisconsin pilots, USAIR pilots will fight til the end.
You have to have a brain to think McDoosh! I'm sure your east lover is telling you all about the "fight":laugh:

Air Wisconsin was the first airline to be put in to trusteeship by ALPA, thus allowing the cram down of the seniority list with MVA. (Mississippi Valley)
Isn't the internet a great piece of equipment? After all, I was able to find this:
http://forums.flightinfo.com/showthread.php?p=848465#post848465


Air Wisconsin went always date of hire with C and R (Aspen, MAX), with the expection of the MVA merger and look, it came out just like the AWA AAA merger. A huge mess. Just ask some of the 1978 Air Wisconsin DOH how they feel about MVA and how ALPA screwed them. The few that are left still hate each other after 30 years . The DOH mergers all worked out fine, because sooner or latter you will respect it.
Why would a United pilot care about DOH between US Air and America West? You said it right here:

http://forums.flightinfo.com/showthread.php?p=1224345#post1224345


Air Wisconsin tried everything, just like the the USAIR pilots to get rid of a flawed SLI. The 50 that are left are mostly MVA and enjoyed their Windfall at the expense of original Whiskey pilots. When United downsized them to 16 146 all the MVA pilots were able to hold on. History does repeat itself. DOH is the only fair way and history proves it. United will soon be asking for DOH because times change, your DOH does not. Trying to leapfrog many years of service is greed at its purest.
What does your 2006 DOH get you at Gulfstream international Mc Doosh?


Longevity has everything to do with DOH.
Everything is based on DOH.

The greedy- I want to fly jets now PFT crowd of the 90's- just do not get it. A lost generation that is focused on me and not the big picture.

M
Tell it to your east pilot man love Mc Doosh. You're a fraud and a dickhead!
Get back to the regionals and flight instructor forums loser!
Wait, I hear your man calling you now.
Listen------>:crying: :crying: :crying:
 

PCL_128

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keep in mind that even in a closed shop you can refust to pay full dues, you can pay administrative costs which are directly related to negotiations. Since USAPA has walked away from the negotiations table there can be no costs associated with these negotiations - ergo administrative costs should be approx $0

The germane expenses that you're referring to also include contract maintenance (discipline protection, grievance filings, arbitrations, etc...). It's not just negotiations. Usually it's not a whole lot less than normal dues, and with a union like USAPA that doesn't do a whole hell of a lot of lobbying in DC, you would probably see very little adjustment from normal dues.
 

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Average union germane expenses= 65%

actual USAPA germane expenses= 94.1%

Crooks
 

Raoul Duke

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The germane expenses that you're referring to also include contract maintenance (discipline protection, grievance filings, arbitrations, etc...). It's not just negotiations. Usually it's not a whole lot less than normal dues, and with a union like USAPA that doesn't do a whole hell of a lot of lobbying in DC, you would probably see very little adjustment from normal dues.


you may be correct but I do not think administrative fees would include legal fees associated with a DFR suit or any of the other BS that USAPA and their crack legal team have expended.
 

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Especially since USAPA has not engaged in any negotiations since walking out like a 3rd grader not wanting to share their toys in a sandbox
 

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Its always same PFT crowd whining about not getting their windfall. Boring. Whine, whine, whine. I want my windfall and I want every East pilot to pay for it.
How many East Pilots would go below the most junior West pilot that is on furlough??? Once you get that answer, you know why the Mesa Grande crowd wants the list implemented asap.

Hey Dope, still bitter about washing out of the PFT program at GIA?Having tourettes must suck. 20000 hours? Thats alot. You must be around 60. Most pilots at real major airlines fly no more then 600 hrs a year on average through their career. You do the math.
MS Flightsimulator time does not count Dope. You are a fraud.

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