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[FR8mastr]

Parker doesn't have time for this BS. He has an airline to run

Now thats the funny, maybe somebody should tell him. I think you can find him at the bar or trucking in large bags to his bank.

 

[TWA Dude]

Well they can't do any worse than ALPA....

Of course they can. The relevant question is will dumping ALPA achieve what you hope it will (screw the AWA pilots, DOH for all future mergers, screw the AWA pilots, ellicit gobs more money from management, screw the AWA pilots, etc.) Lots of pilots have thought about dumping ALPA. Forty-four years ago the APA did. Wow, that was so successful everyone else joined-in and Eagle never dumped APA for ALPA ... not.

The problems for the USAirways East group won't be solved by USAPA because their problems don't originate with the union.

 

[get2flyin]

Well they can't do any worse than ALPA....

Oh yes...yes they can.

 

[weasel_lips]

Oh yes...yes they can.

Not from our point of view they can't. Like the saying goes... "Walk a mile in someone else's shoes" We did not arrive at this conclusion without due cause.

This is a democratic process and if the majority of the pilots are unhappy with ALPA, then it is time for a changing of the guard.

We can do better with an independant union.

 

[erjdude]

We can do better with an independant union.

Funny thing is in another time and place I would agree with you. However your union is based on a false premise. That the AWA pilots will just roll over and do as you wish. IF USAPA wins, the first instance that you try to screw with the west pilots it will be civil war. You will not get a contract that includes DOH(remember we have a vote in the majority too!). The whipsaw will happen so fast it make your head spin! do you know that all new aircraft will head east? do you?

If USAPA wins the NIC will not go away. We will not accept a CBA with DOH. And we will ALL be Dougs
Bi&*ch as he whipsaws the ******************** out of all of us for years.

 

[Prog 2/2]

We did not arrive at this conclusion without due cause

Yes you did.

You arrived at it the minute the seniority integration was announced.

Exactly how many cards did USAPA have prior to May?

USAPA is about only one thing, overturning Nicolau and disenfranchising the west pilot group to achieve that.

Everything else they spout is to rationalize that end.

 

[BeCareful!]

USAPA is about only one thing, overturning Nicolau and disenfranchising the west pilot group to achieve that.

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Wrong!

ALPA's demise has been a long time coming. Nic was just the proverbial straw that broke the camel's back.

You guys keep spouting that we all think the award is going away, and that's just patently untrue. I don't know a single East pilot that thinks that! And, just as certainly, I don't know one East pilot that wants ALPA around. Nic or no Nic, ALPA's on the way out.

You boys keep spouting the hatred and rhetoric....that's what you seem best suited for.

 

[BeCareful!]

In other words, we all know that you guys will get to cash those lottery tickets soon enough, even without ALPA. I certainly expect that's how it will go down.

Even so, I'll be voting to rid us of ALPA. Enough is more than enough. F&%$ them!

 

[FR8mastr]

The ironic part is, Nic or no Nic the airline is theirs inside 10 years anyway.

 

[get2flyin]

In other words, we all know that you guys will get to cash those lottery tickets soon enough, even without ALPA.

You're the ones getting a pay raise, not to mention the the fact you avoided an almost certain "do you want fries with that" future.

But hey, if my lottery ticket is being thrown together with a broken company that has miserable group of employees who think that they're going to fix past grievances with a company that no longer exists (that would be the old US Airways) by throwing the AWA employees under the bus...then "Cha-ching", I can't wait to cash this baby out. It sounds awesome!

 

[OnTheDole]

Wrong!

ALPA's demise has been a long time coming. Nic was just the proverbial straw that broke the camel's back.

You guys keep spouting that we all think the award is going away, and that's just patently untrue. I don't know a single East pilot that thinks that! And, just as certainly, I don't know one East pilot that wants ALPA around. Nic or no Nic, ALPA's on the way out.

You boys keep spouting the hatred and rhetoric....that's what you seem best suited for.

you know ALPA would be out if the new union wasn't all about screwing the awa guys... there are very few ALPA fans @ awa just people who realize USAPA is worse than alpa. If USAPA or any other union was for the entire airways group then this vote would be a no brainer - and alpa would be in the shi--er. Fortunately for alpa, USAPA is all about trying to screw the awa guys so they're guaranteed to face most likely insurmountable odds.

If you really just "wanted out of ALPA" and could accept the reality of the NIC award as so many of you state - then you should really talk to the USAPA clowns and get them to change their stance and they would most likely find several more USAPA votes... somewhere around 1800 I would bet.

 

[Prog 2/2]

Wrong!

If I'm wrong, then tell me why there was no USAPA before May.

ALPA's demise has been a long time coming. Nic was just the proverbial straw that broke the camel's back.

It's "the straw that broke the camel's back" because you didn't get what you wanted, which was everything. ALPA didn't fail you, your MEC/MC failed you because they stuck to a stupid position that sounded good, but was completely and utterly wrong for this integration.

You guys keep spouting that we all think the award is going away, and that's just patently untrue. I don't know a single East pilot that thinks that! And, just as certainly, I don't know one East pilot that wants ALPA around. Nic or no Nic, ALPA's on the way out.

Hey, you're right. Nicolau isn't going away. The goal of USAPA is to put in place within the new contract "bidding restrictions" that will effectively gut it, though. The end result is the same.

You boys keep spouting the hatred and rhetoric....that's what you seem best suited for.

Hatred and rhetoric?

No hatred here, pal. I've seen this movie before and know enough not to delude myself.

This isn't some great crusade for fair, proper and responsive representation. It's much simpler than that.

It's all because you didn't get what you wanted, which was for the west pilots to subsidize your past career pitfalls.

All you have to do is read the "lottery ticket" comments to know the truth.

 

[weasel_lips]

This isn't some great crusade for fair, proper and responsive representation. It's much simpler than that.

It's all because you didn't get what you wanted, which was for the west pilots to subsidize your past career pitfalls.

All you have to do is read the "lottery ticket" comments to know the truth.

That is simply not the case.

Even the pilots not harmed (top 500) by the Nicolau award have sent their USAPA cards in.

Therefore, it is shows a general unhappiness with ALPA outside of the Nicolau award.

 

[Flys4Fun]

USAPA flies with NAMBLA

 

[PositiveRate]

"This isn't some great crusade for fair, proper and responsive representation. It's much simpler than that.

It's all because you didn't get what you wanted, which was for the west pilots to subsidize your past career pitfalls.

All you have to do is read the "lottery ticket" comments to know the truth."
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Good posts prog.

If you'll notice, the most outspoken East pilots on these boards are the furloughees and J4J guys. Weasel and BeCareful aren't even worth the time responding too. They can go ahead and vote for their lost cause. USAPA desires to neuter the Nicolau award - they don't see us as equals. Never have, never will...hence their assumption that they can and deserve to subsidize any previous hardship at the expense of the West pilots.

USAPA would not exist if the Nicolau decision was more in line with what the Easties demanded. Simple as that. It isn't the "straw" that broke the camel's back - it's a pathetic ploy to get what they want at ANY cost...

This is a path to an even more unpleasant place that will be paved with spite, not good intention. Working together is the only way forward...from the sounds of the DEN meeting, even that is a lost cause.