USAPA and the Domicile meeting for PHX/LAS

[Deadalus]

haha....now that sounds like some wishful thinking!

If anything dies it will be the west coast flying. The bean counters will kill it as things tighten up economically. Know history, and you will see the future

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That's exactly the point. In your future no airline will be their to save your @ss again, because everyone knows how they will be treated. I say slow and painfull.

 

[PHXFLYR]

Sounds like a question for USAPA leadership not flighinfo experts. One day I wish for all of us at US Airways to figure things out. East vs. West aside maybe we can all come together and push forward with our careers. Maybe Doug will accept the pay rates submitted by USAPA. I may just be wishful thinking, but we have a great group of pilots(East and West).

Your kidding, right?


PHXFLYR

 

[Bringupthebird]

Yes. The only way the union gets out of it's obligation to represent is to request to have the delinquent non-payer's employment terminated.

But USAPA doesn't even represent fairly the interests of the non-members who are in good standing. Instead the stomp around like children demanding relevance and respect and deserving neither.

The paid-up non-members don't get any sort of access to their so-called reps from Charlotte (members who, by the way are being asked to pay the same as members for other bases while receiving only a portion of their reps time and attention). Do they post the names and addresses of the CLT reps and the chairmen of the commitees on the CLT local? Nope!

Do they allow access to their website (the only source of information concerning USAPA) to paid-up non-members? Nope!

Are they performing their duty to the paid-up non-members by actively negotiating section 6 for the west pilots in parallel with joint negotiations? Nope!

In short, a non-member in good standing receives just as little representation as the one in bad standing, and the CLT member in good standing is going to receive less representation as their reps are forced to deal with PHX (the largest base) and LAS issues.

But somehow I think the CLT pilots know just how little time will be spent on those issues. Right now, less than 8 hours in 8 months.

 

[PHXFLYR]

That's like saying Hitler "disagreed" with the Jews.

Nice sugar coat but nobody is stupid enough to believe this is about a disagreement. This is about the total abrogation of contracts, and the tyrannical rule of the bigger group. That's it. It's not a debate, it's the larger side trying to destroy the smaller side because of an insane sense of self importance and entitlement.

The Judge will rule soon enough. That still won't fix anything though. This place is too far gone to come back. Hopefully it's a quick death this time and not the slow decades long bleeding that characterizes US Air.

Woa,big fella.... I need this place to hang in there for another 14 years . Then it can go tizz up....

PHXFLYR

 

[Turtle21]

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But USAPA doesn't even represent fairly the interests of the non-members who are in good standing. Instead the stomp around like children ..

You don't say... Like spoiled brats, eh?

 

[becket]

haha...

If anything dies it will be the west coast flying. The bean counters will kill it as things tighten up economically. Know history, and you will see the future


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I agree 100%. I do know history and it's called PSA. Everything US Air touches turns to sh*t. That's the historical record. I know, I know, you have such great "yields". We'll those killer yields sent you to BK twice in 3 years.

Your airline lost 4/5ths of a BILLION dollars in 3 months. DP is publicly questioning your survival. I believe in Karma and I think it's coming around this time to finally Kick US Air in the ass.

 

[MESAhater]

hmmmm...

 

[MESAhater]

Your kidding, right?


PHXFLYR

Of course he/she was kidding. Why would they want their fellow pilots to get along?????? Why would they want to see Doug accept the new USAPA pay rates???? Better than the pay rates AWA wanted to fly the a/c for. All of us at USA/AWE need to get out of the "commuter" mentality and get back to being the highest paid legacy carrier like US Air was is 1999. Call me crazy, but why would we not want a pay raise???? This is no longer Mesa Grande!!!!!

 

[MESAhater]

Everyone keeps saying "binding, they just don't understand the word binding"!!!! If it was binding why isn't it being enforced by Dougie??? I don't know how binding it is until it is implemented. It is kind of like winning the lottery, but the state not paying you the millions. You think you won everything, but really you didn't get anything except anger and bitterness. Very sad to see really! Way to go Doug, you are truly an incredible leader and manager! 3.5 years and you still can't finish what you started!!

 

[PHXFLYR]

No solidarity amongst the pilots, no leverage at the negotiating table with management. No leverage at the negotitiong table with management, no pay raise.

Just wishing for a pay raise isn't going to get you one . And that toothless tiger you goons refer to as a "union" isn't going to be getting you one anytime soon either.


PHXFLYR

 

[Thebadcat1313]

Doug said it yesterday at the crew news meeting in PHX. "The company and USAPA are WAY, WAY, WAY apart" - referring to contract negotiations. Now, I know that's typical management rhetoric, but I believe him. And they know they can keep the operation seperate, furlough the more expensive pilots out west and enjoy the benefits of LOA93. Congrats, USAPA. You'll have five more years of LOA93, if this place makes it that long. You heard it here first.

Oh, and he also said "I have a list". Wonder which one he was referring to?

 

[regionaltard]

Worst of the worst... You make me laugh...

Even a scab has enough integrity not to pretend he's something other than what he is by cloaking himself in the mantle of trade unionism as he goes about the business of screwing his fellow pilots. Worst of the worst is an understatement.

 

[SiouxHockeyFan]

Doug said it yesterday at the crew news meeting in PHX. "The company and USAPA are WAY, WAY, WAY apart" - referring to contract negotiations. Now, I know that's typical management rhetoric, but I believe him. And they know they can keep the operation seperate, furlough the more expensive pilots out west and enjoy the benefits of LOA93. Congrats, USAPA. You'll have five more years of LOA93, if this place makes it that long. You heard it here first.

Oh, and he also said "I have a list". Wonder which one he was referring to?

Does everyone out west still trust and believe in Doug? That man does not care about ex amer west pilots, he looks at you just like the US Air pilots, a liability that takes his profits. If you believe Doug you are crazy!!!!!!!!!!

 

[Carl S.]

At least when Parker F's us, he does it not under the false banner of a union for all 5200 LCC pilots and I expect the company to screw me, not the union!

 

[get2flyin]

Wow! Classy statement in regards to a group of pilots that disagree wtih you. Can't wait to fly with you when/if we get a combined list.

I know your new East pilot buddies are telling you that the West guys are trying to steal what's rightfully belongs to them. This isn't a case of simple disagreement. If you were furloughed after 4 1/2 years instead of comfortably sitting in a 190 after the 2 years or so that you've been there, you would understand.

On the bright side, I don't think you'll have to worry about flying with the "big, bad" West pilots anytime some. Your union will see to that. Out of curiousity, do you wear a USAPA lanyard?