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ALGFLYR

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Unfortunately there will be no bid for march. The last 3 pilots from the previous recall start class on Jan. 8th. The additional 40 recalls have tentative class dates of Jan 22nd, Feb 5th, and Feb 19th. Here is a letter from planning on Dec. 22nd1st:

Subject: March 2007 Permanent Bid

There will not be a Permanent Bid published for March 2007. The
February 2007 Permanent Bid will be carried over for March
2007.

Chuck
Klousnitzer

Manager - Crew Planning &
Analysis
 
Does this mean there will be no recalls for March?

Have the slots already been filled for the Bid 07-02(FEB)?
 
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Bubba Dog said:
Does this mean there will be no recalls for March?

Have the slots already been filled for the Bid 07-02(FEB)?
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I think they got a little backed up. The last recalls will have class dates in Feb. I think we will see recalls in March, but they will be for an April effective date.

They are still working on filling the 07-02 bid. It may be a while before we know who actually accepted the positions....
 
Just spoke with Charmane and she said no recalls for march. Will not have to send out anymore letters to fill bid 07-02. Went down to seniority number 3570.

Hopefully this delay is due to training back-up and not due to the proposed merger and the anticipated large job cuts!
 
Seniority # 3873 starts the 99 hires.

Also to clarify on earlier post,sent out letter's of intent to 3570 and will not have to send anymore for bid 07-02 according to Charmane.
 
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AWA just cut back to two Airbus instructors and told them not to expect any long course training(initials, or upgrades) for a year or so. Union spin is that this is due to the "merger" with Delta.


Beware, this is EXACTLY the same thing that happened when Wolf tried to buy UAL. Everything at AAA stopped and no one had another plan in case things fell through. It appears to my uneducated eyes that Parker is doing the same thing. Kind of hard to believe but airline management is airline management. They all screw up in the same ways.
 
Bubba Dog said:
Just spoke with Charmane and she said no recalls for march. Will not have to send out anymore letters to fill bid 07-02. Went down to seniority number 3570.

Hopefully this delay is due to training back-up and not due to the proposed merger and the anticipated large job cuts!
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Very good point ...

If the Delta merger goes thru, (Which I doubt, btw) they said there will be a reduction of 10%. This could result in a substantial furlough, again. (800+)

Very risky going back right now, unless one does not have another gig.
 
What a wonderfull plan considering they just had a misserable holiday for staffing. Don't know about the east but out west here we ran out of reserves, flights were canceled cause there were no crews to fly them, 98 pilots called in sick Christmas eve, and now this, they don't expect to bring any more people in??? WTF? This is quite a gamble Doug and Scott are starting to play, if they don't train more people for next summer and this Delta thing doesn't pan out, Holy Cow! we are going to be in a world of hurt.
 
ALGFLYR said:
What was their saying??

There is no plan B...
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Yup then they came up with "PLAN B FROM OUTER SPACE".

I still chuckle when I remember that quote from the union. I'd laugh out loud if it hadn't been so tragic for our careers.
 
Dogwood said:
Very good point ...

If the Delta merger goes thru, (Which I doubt, btw) they said there will be a reduction of 10%. This could result in a substantial furlough, again. (800+)

Very risky going back right now, unless one does not have another gig.
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I doubt anyone in PHX is foolish enough to try and furlough US Airways employees while keeping Delta's hiring going.
 
ALGFLYR said:
Unfortunately there will be no bid for march. The last 3 pilots from the previous recall start class on Jan. 8th. The additional 40 recalls have tentative class dates of Jan 22nd, Feb 5th, and Feb 19th. Here is a letter from planning on Dec. 22nd1st:

Subject: March 2007 Permanent Bid

There will not be a Permanent Bid published for March 2007. The
February 2007 Permanent Bid will be carried over for March
2007.

Chuck
Klousnitzer

Manager - Crew Planning &
Analysis
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Didn't they just recall 10 or 15 Ground Instructors from furlough? Class dates are filled 60 days in the future - makes sense not recall more people for now.

Attrition continues and those GI will take some time to get up to speed then accelerated recalls ..... IMO.

What's the most they were able to hire (per month) during the 1999 boom?
 
johnnyb said:
I doubt anyone in PHX is foolish enough to try and furlough US Airways employees while keeping Delta's hiring going.
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It is very unlikely the takeover will ever happen. Don't get too whipped up about it. The only person who believes it will happen is Parker. His credit has run out (no upping the bid.....), the DOJ would see the immense overlap, and Oberstar stated he doesn't know anyone in Congress that is for this deal. The creditor committee will vote DL's way too. Relax--very unlikely.

Bye Bye--General Lee
 
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Gee..Oberstar from Minnesota is opposed to a merger that would negatively impact Northwest. Shocking. I wonder if that is the same reason that he was opposed to the USAir/UAL merger... hmmm
 
BenderGonzales said:
Gee..Oberstar from Minnesota is opposed to a merger that would negatively impact Northwest. Shocking. I wonder if that is the same reason that he was opposed to the USAir/UAL merger... hmmm
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You mean he could be in favor of another merger? Maybe one that NWA is involved in? If there was a merger, BOTH parties would have to be involved, not one like USAir is doing, and it would have to make sense, or fit. USAir and AWA had a good merger hub wise. This one stinks. Here again is what Oberstar just said recently about this proposed takeover and what Phillip Baggaley, an analyst said:


1. Oberstar (chairman of the transportations sub committee) said that by publicly exposing the potential dangers of airline consolidation, his committee may be able to "throw cold water" on merger mania. "We can nudge the Justice Department to take the action they must" to prevent a loss in competition, he said.
Oberstar also said opposition to consolidation is bipartisan. "I’ve heard from members on both sides of the aisle" as worries have grown about the impact on jobs and service, he said. "I haven’t heard anyone come forward and say this is a really good deal."




2. Standard & Poor's credit analyst Philip Baggaley says that Delta's proposed reorganization plan involves less risk than US Airways' merger proposal. "[The plan] would not face antitrust review by the Department of Justice, would not involve potentially difficult labor integration, and would not require the issuance of $4 billion in acquisition debt," said Baggaley in a Dec. 19 note. (S&P, like BusinessWeek.com, is owned by The McGraw-Hill Companies.)


Bye Bye--General Lee
 
General Lee said:
It is very unlikely the takeover will ever happen. Don't get too whipped up about it. The only person who believes it will happen is Parker. His credit has run out (no upping the bid.....), the DOJ would see the immense overlap, and Oberstar stated he doesn't know anyone in Congress that is for this deal. The creditor committee will vote DL's way too. Relax--very unlikely.

Bye Bye--General Lee
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Be careful underestimating Parker. Look where AWA was after 9-11. He has a knack for getting things done.
 
Green said:
Be careful underestimating Parker. Look where AWA was after 9-11. He has a knack for getting things done.
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What did he do after 9-11? All of the LCCs did well after 9-11, because most of the Majors had 400 airplanes flying around with not enough people on board. We lost money because we had more planes that were empty because people were scared to fly. And he merged with USAir.... That was because USAir wanted to be merged, or face liquidation. And, the merger was a good one because there was little overlap, the hubs weren't even close to each other, and the planes were very similar. Can you say any of that for the proposed DL takeover? Nope.

Even the State Attorney Generals are suspicious:


JoAnn Carrin, a spokeswoman for the Florida attorney general's office, said her office is working with other states on such a review, which she described as routine. She did not name the other states or say how many there were.
It's unclear what authority the states would have since airline mergers are generally reviewed by federal regulators. Utah Attorney General Mark Shurtleff, whose state is also reviewing the merger proposal, said the states can't block the merger, but could file suit if it's determined the merger would harm competition. "It smells of a redundant merger that could be anticompetitive, but we won't know until we finish the investigation," Shurtleff said.

US Airways spokesman Phil Gee said Wednesday he was told there could be as many as 11 states that have discussed the issue.




Bye Bye--General Lee



 
I don't believe we will see a stop in the recalls or training. While it is true there will not be a March bid, the last bid has classes running in Jan. and Feb. There will most likely be an April bid and thoses classes should be in March. I think they are a litle backed up and are trying to keep the "gear-up" running smoothly...
 
Gotta love the Airways seniority proposal. Of the top 1000 pilots of the new Us Airways 973 of them will be former AAA pilots.....hmmm? Every single AAA fo and over 400 currently furloughed AAA pilots would have to upgrade before any AWA fo would have the chance to sit in the left seat. what a crock...
 
Green said:
Gotta love the Airways seniority proposal. Of the top 1000 pilots of the new Us Airways 973 of them will be former AAA pilots.....hmmm? Every single AAA fo and over 400 currently furloughed AAA pilots would have to upgrade before any AWA fo would have the chance to sit in the left seat. what a crock...
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Kinda like AWA proposal putting guys with 2 weeks senior to those with 20 years huh?
 
You're right, we should have let them GO OUT OF BUSINESS COMPLETELY and then they could tell all the people in the unemployment line how they WERE an airline pilot for 20 years.

Lame.
 

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