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A quote from the East notes. Could this be why the arbitrator "appeared" agitated:

"The afternoon was spent with the AWA merger attorney, Mr. XXX cross examining Captain YYY. As usual the cross examination began with, “I have just a few questions” Several hours later the testimony of Captain YYY ended."

It would appear the AWA attorney can be a little bit of a pain. Racking up billable hours perhaps :rolleyes:


TP​
 
General Lee said:
You may be wrong. According to an AWA senior Captain I met tonight, he said the arbitrator listened to the East guys for two weeks talk about the bottom USAir guy, and finally said "I don't care what his normal progression would have been, you almost went away, that doesn't matter..." So, it seems he may take into account your airline (USAir) almost going away. Your guys had 3 weeks to persuade the judge (arbitor), and you wasted 2 weeks on what this guy's progression could have been. And, he also said your East pilots settled on a 1996 seniority list with a bunch of guys already retired on it, so they could fill spots with current USAir furloughed pilots. Sounds like the old arbitrator (82 years old) can see thru the krap. Interesting stuff!


Bye Bye--General Lee
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This Arbitrator is a class act and I know from sitting at the same table with him for 2 weeks during the Shuttle Arbitration. This description you put forth is so off the mark I have to say: back under your rock Lee.
 
General Lee said:
You may be wrong. According to an AWA senior Captain I met tonight, he said the arbitrator listened to the East guys for two weeks talk about the bottom USAir guy, and finally said "I don't care what his normal progression would have been, you almost went away, that doesn't matter..." So, it seems he may take into account your airline (USAir) almost going away. Your guys had 3 weeks to persuade the judge (arbitor), and you wasted 2 weeks on what this guy's progression could have been. And, he also said your East pilots settled on a 1996 seniority list with a bunch of guys already retired on it, so they could fill spots with current USAir furloughed pilots. Sounds like the old arbitrator (82 years old) can see thru the krap. Interesting stuff!


Bye Bye--General Lee
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Complete B.S. General ! You have no clue as to what is transpiring here !
 
johnnyb said:
This Arbitrator is a class act and I know from sitting at the same table with him for 2 weeks during the Shuttle Arbitration. This description you put forth is so off the mark I have to say: back under your rock Lee.
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You sound very old and bitter.
 
johnnyb said:
This Arbitrator is a class act and I know from sitting at the same table with him for 2 weeks during the Shuttle Arbitration. This description you put forth is so off the mark I have to say: back under your rock Lee.
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It is what the senior AWA captain told me. You obviously don't read the CURRENT transcripts I guess. He is 82, and probably more crotchety than when you sat with him holding hands during the Shuttle arbitration. Wake up, I was just stating what I was told by someone who knows more than you do.


Bye Bye--General Lee
 
johnnyb said:
Dude, C-152? Come on .....
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Making fun of someone who flew those? You are getting desperate. He listed a plane he flew, and you seem to list everything under the sun that you were a stew on.


Bye Bye--General Lee
 
5150 said:
Complete B.S. General ! You have no clue as to what is transpiring here !
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How could I just make that up? You're right, I don't know and really don't care. But, I was repeating exactly what someone who does care said. That should make you worried. He was a 46 year old senior captain at AWA hired in 86, and he was in the top 150 at AWA. That would make most USAir pilots freaked out. I met him while he was on the terminal subway leaving the D concourse (I was coming from E). He seemed excited about those A330s.


Bye Bye--General Lee
 
A lot of senior AWA guys claim they aren't interested in the A330. But I would bet if the thing is fenced out then they'll be crying foul and if it's not we'll see a mass exodus of senior dudes in PHX to PHL/CLT A-330 CA slots.
 
General Lee said:
Making fun of someone who flew those? You are getting desperate. He listed a plane he flew, and you seem to list everything under the sun that you were a stew on.


Bye Bye--General Lee
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That was a joke there Bubba ( as in me a geezer and him a wippersnapper) ahhhh ... forget it.

And don't you be disparaging the mighty Airliner either!
 
He was hired in 86... 21 years ago around the time AWA started so they're gonna be mad because... what, he's younger than all of them. I'm outraged too! Young bastard!
OMFG!

GL come on man can't we talk about the DAL take over instead?
 
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grog_sit_reserv said:
He was hired in 86... 21 years ago around the time AWA started so they're gonna be mad because... what, he's younger than all of them. I'm outraged too! Young bastard!
OMFG!

GL come on man can't we talk about the DAL take over instead?
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Aren't you sick of my canned answers yet? I've got plenty more, with new articles coming out all of the time....:) That captain I talked about did say he looked forward to flying to Europe on the A330. That's what he said....and he also said he didn't think the DL merger would happen. I cracked an immediate smile....


Bye Bye--General Lee
 
grog_sit_reserv said:
Always fun GL...
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CLT and PHL sure wouldn't like that. Their Congressmen, in fact, are opposed to the takeover for obvious reasons. Even Oberstar said he hasn't found one Congressman in favor of this deal.


Bye Bye--General Lee
 
General Lee said:
How could I just make that up? You're right, I don't know and really don't care. But, I was repeating exactly what someone who does care said. That should make you worried. He was a 46 year old senior captain at AWA hired in 86, and he was in the top 150 at AWA. That would make most USAir pilots freaked out. I met him while he was on the terminal subway leaving the D concourse (I was coming from E). He seemed excited about those A330s.
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It's a virtual certainty that the A330 Captain slots will be for original U pilots only for at least the next 7 to 8 years. Your 1986 hire friend at AWA can bid it as a junior F.O. though if he really wants to fly to Europe.:smash:


TP
 
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Hey General?

Delta pilots have already retained Jeff Freund (AWA's attorney) in the possible merger between Delta and USAirways.
 
typhoonpilot said:
It's a virtual certainty that the A330 Captain slots will be for original U pilots only for at least the next 7 to 8 years. Your 1986 hire friend at AWA can bid it as a junior F.O. though if he really wants to fly to Europe.:smash:


TP
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You must have a direct line to the arbitrator.
 
typhoonpilot said:
It's a virtual certainty that the A330 Captain slots will be for original U pilots only for at least the next 7 to 8 years. Your 1986 hire friend at AWA can bid it as a junior F.O. though if he really wants to fly to Europe.:smash:


TP
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He was 46 years old he said, so he will see it probably. I don't really care, though.


Bye Bye--General Lee
 
Itsallsogood said:
Hey General?

Delta pilots have already retained Jeff Freund (AWA's attorney) in the possible merger between Delta and USAirways.
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I don't think so, because Lee Moak has no intention of ever letting this go through. I doubt they retained anyone on AWA's side unless he is gone from there.


Bye Bye--General Lee
 
typhoonpilot said:
It's a virtual certainty that the A330 Captain slots will be for original U pilots only for at least the next 7 to 8 years. Your 1986 hire friend at AWA can bid it as a junior F.O. though if he really wants to fly to Europe.:smash:


TP
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No matter what Nicolau comes up with on the list I believe you are right about the 330, I doubt any west pilots will even be allowed on it as fo. I also think that is as it should be, the widebodies are yours, I think that is only right. All I want is to have my normal progression in PHX, thats all.
 
vetrider said:
No matter what Nicolau comes up with on the list I believe you are right about the 330, I doubt any west pilots will even be allowed on it as fo. I also think that is as it should be, the widebodies are yours, I think that is only right. All I want is to have my normal progression in PHX, thats all.
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I wrote that post to settle the General down. He seems to have become a flamer of late.

I think we agree, in that I don't think any U guy should be allowed to keep an AWA guy from his normal progression in the west. As stated here and elsewhere, big fences are really necessary in this integration to keep windfalls from happening for either side.

It's inflammatory to say that a 1986 hire at AWA could hold A330 Captain after the integration, just as it is inflammaotry to say that the bottom guy at U could hold Captain in the west. That gets us nowhere. Fences are the best answer. Relative seniority doesn't work nor does DOH unless their are long term fences that last until about 2025. U's proposal keeps the fences until 2014. That's not long enough to protect guys in my seniority range, but at least it's a start.

Typhoonpilot
 
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Another consideration is that many U pilots will not return. I would expect only 33% or less. This time there is no pension to return to, only a low paying F.O. job. You're right that I won't be coming back. I've run the numbers and it makes no sense for me to return financially. Many others will make the same determination.


Here's hoping your right.....:beer:


PHXFLYR:cool:
 
typhoonpilot said:
I wrote that post to settle the General down. He seems to have become a flamer of late.

I think we agree, in that I don't think any U guy should be allowed to keep an AWA guy from his normal progression in the west. As stated here and elsewhere, big fences are really necessary in this integration to keep windfalls from happening for either side.

It's inflammatory to say that a 1986 hire at AWA could hold A330 Captain after the integration, just as it is inflammaotry to say that the bottom guy at U could hold Captain in the west. That gets us nowhere. Fences are the best answer. Relative seniority doesn't work nor does DOH unless their are long term fences that last until about 2025. U's proposal keeps the fences until 2014. That's not long enough to protect guys in my seniority range, but at least it's a start.

Typhoonpilot
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I agree with everything you just said. I may be naieve or overly optimistic, but I have a hunch Nicolau is going to do a good job for all of us. That is not to say that there won't be alot of bitching on both sides, for there will be, but I think the end result will be ok.
 
PHXFLYR said:
You don't know him very well,do you?;)


PHXFLYR:cool:
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I must have made you mad recently. I talked to one of your senior pilots and he told me his take on your talks. That was it. I honestly don't care what happens with you guys and USAir.


Bye Bye--General Lee
 

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