USAir March bid

[General Lee]

Always fun GL...

CLT and PHL sure wouldn't like that. Their Congressmen, in fact, are opposed to the takeover for obvious reasons. Even Oberstar said he hasn't found one Congressman in favor of this deal.


Bye Bye--General Lee

 

[typhoonpilot]

How could I just make that up? You're right, I don't know and really don't care. But, I was repeating exactly what someone who does care said. That should make you worried. He was a 46 year old senior captain at AWA hired in 86, and he was in the top 150 at AWA. That would make most USAir pilots freaked out. I met him while he was on the terminal subway leaving the D concourse (I was coming from E). He seemed excited about those A330s.
Bye Bye--General Lee

It's a virtual certainty that the A330 Captain slots will be for original U pilots only for at least the next 7 to 8 years. Your 1986 hire friend at AWA can bid it as a junior F.O. though if he really wants to fly to Europe.:smash:


TP

 

[Itsallsogood]

Hey General?

Delta pilots have already retained Jeff Freund (AWA's attorney) in the possible merger between Delta and USAirways.

 

[m80drvr]

It's a virtual certainty that the A330 Captain slots will be for original U pilots only for at least the next 7 to 8 years. Your 1986 hire friend at AWA can bid it as a junior F.O. though if he really wants to fly to Europe.:smash:


TP

You must have a direct line to the arbitrator.

 

[General Lee]

It's a virtual certainty that the A330 Captain slots will be for original U pilots only for at least the next 7 to 8 years. Your 1986 hire friend at AWA can bid it as a junior F.O. though if he really wants to fly to Europe.:smash:


TP

He was 46 years old he said, so he will see it probably. I don't really care, though.


Bye Bye--General Lee

 

[General Lee]

Hey General?

Delta pilots have already retained Jeff Freund (AWA's attorney) in the possible merger between Delta and USAirways.

I don't think so, because Lee Moak has no intention of ever letting this go through. I doubt they retained anyone on AWA's side unless he is gone from there.


Bye Bye--General Lee

 

[Green]

Hey General?

Delta pilots have already retained Jeff Freund (AWA's attorney) in the possible merger between Delta and USAirways.

Where did you get this info???

 

[vetrider]

It's a virtual certainty that the A330 Captain slots will be for original U pilots only for at least the next 7 to 8 years. Your 1986 hire friend at AWA can bid it as a junior F.O. though if he really wants to fly to Europe.:smash:


TP

No matter what Nicolau comes up with on the list I believe you are right about the 330, I doubt any west pilots will even be allowed on it as fo. I also think that is as it should be, the widebodies are yours, I think that is only right. All I want is to have my normal progression in PHX, thats all.

 

[typhoonpilot]

No matter what Nicolau comes up with on the list I believe you are right about the 330, I doubt any west pilots will even be allowed on it as fo. I also think that is as it should be, the widebodies are yours, I think that is only right. All I want is to have my normal progression in PHX, thats all.

I wrote that post to settle the General down. He seems to have become a flamer of late.

I think we agree, in that I don't think any U guy should be allowed to keep an AWA guy from his normal progression in the west. As stated here and elsewhere, big fences are really necessary in this integration to keep windfalls from happening for either side.

It's inflammatory to say that a 1986 hire at AWA could hold A330 Captain after the integration, just as it is inflammaotry to say that the bottom guy at U could hold Captain in the west. That gets us nowhere. Fences are the best answer. Relative seniority doesn't work nor does DOH unless their are long term fences that last until about 2025. U's proposal keeps the fences until 2014. That's not long enough to protect guys in my seniority range, but at least it's a start.

Typhoonpilot

 

[PHXFLYR]

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Another consideration is that many U pilots will not return. I would expect only 33% or less. This time there is no pension to return to, only a low paying F.O. job. You're right that I won't be coming back. I've run the numbers and it makes no sense for me to return financially. Many others will make the same determination.


Here's hoping your right.....:beer:


PHXFLYR

 

[PHXFLYR]

"He seemed excited about those A330s."

That's a bit out of character for you Gen Lee. You aren't usually so petty.

You don't know him very well,do you?


PHXFLYR

 

[vetrider]

I wrote that post to settle the General down. He seems to have become a flamer of late.

I think we agree, in that I don't think any U guy should be allowed to keep an AWA guy from his normal progression in the west. As stated here and elsewhere, big fences are really necessary in this integration to keep windfalls from happening for either side.

It's inflammatory to say that a 1986 hire at AWA could hold A330 Captain after the integration, just as it is inflammaotry to say that the bottom guy at U could hold Captain in the west. That gets us nowhere. Fences are the best answer. Relative seniority doesn't work nor does DOH unless their are long term fences that last until about 2025. U's proposal keeps the fences until 2014. That's not long enough to protect guys in my seniority range, but at least it's a start.

Typhoonpilot

I agree with everything you just said. I may be naieve or overly optimistic, but I have a hunch Nicolau is going to do a good job for all of us. That is not to say that there won't be alot of bitching on both sides, for there will be, but I think the end result will be ok.

 

[PHXFLYR]

Hope your right....we all have alot at stake.


PHXFLYR

 

[General Lee]

You don't know him very well,do you?


PHXFLYR

I must have made you mad recently. I talked to one of your senior pilots and he told me his take on your talks. That was it. I honestly don't care what happens with you guys and USAir.


Bye Bye--General Lee

 

[DLslug]

GL:

Can we at least be friends still?? Ha Ha.

All for now.

DLslug