USAir East West NIC Award Resolution? Very soon!

[Metrojet]

We don't negotiate with terrorists. See you in Court...and on LOA93 into perpetuity.

And neither does Netanyahu - "You want peace? Well then - surrender"

Metrojet

 

[TWA Dude]

Word on the street is... A PHX base spin-off.

But, but, I thought the West was gonna spun off to Republic? Love to hear what fantasy you'll come up with next week.

 

[Flybywire44]

How much more mileage do you intend to drag out of that lie.

There was no MOU of the sort. Of course your credibility would only be threatened if you had any to start with.

You so-called friend told you this, but the east has a track record of gullibility. Like spinning off a base. You are aware there are other employees besides pilots, don't you.


Another "a-ha" moment, brought to you by reality.

Talk to your former negotiating Reps—This is common knowledge.


I'm not insulting anyone here, just saying that West/East Alpa leadership tried to avoid USAPA by working together.

 

[cactusboy53]

West and East ALPAs started working on an MOU to the NIC when it became obvious that USAPA may takeover. The MOU established additional restrictions, fences and a credit for the retirements now occurring East. This occurred soon after ALPA national waived their right to replace the East MEC for refusing to negotiate—they also knew USAPA was a credible threat.

???? Never heard that one. I know these west representatives that you speak. None of them would be stupid enough to negotiate away from an agreed upon process & the resulting final & binding arbitration. The East has proven time and time again that their word is worth spit.

Just another USAPA lie. You've heard of the Kubler-Ross stages of grief? It is a path to the completion of grief. Unfortunately, USAPian's just keep going in circles: DENIAL - ANGER - BARGAINING - DEPRESSION - DENIAL - ANGER - BARGAINING - DEPRESSION.....

Acceptance is never reached in this version of the KR model.

The West is ONLY to blame for defending our position. That and trusting that the east can keep their word.

 

[skyguy40]

Guys I don't have a dog in this fight. We're up to page 23. I've read about both sides and I'm not going to chime in one way or the other. But my question is if you guys can get past this? Can you flip a coin or duke it out? What is needed so you guys can get past this? I have an interview coming up soon....So I'm interested.
Good luck to you guys.
David

 

[Monster Buck]

Guys I don't have a dog in this fight. We're up to page 23. I've read about both sides and I'm not going to chime in one way or the other. But my question is if you guys can get past this? Can you flip a coin or duke it out? What is needed so you guys can get past this? I have an interview coming up soon....So I'm interested.
Good luck to you guys.
David

USAir, decades of horrible pay..... horrible atmosphere.....good luck

 

[becket]

Guys I don't have a dog in this fight. We're up to page 23. I've read about both sides and I'm not going to chime in one way or the other. But my question is if you guys can get past this? Can you flip a coin or duke it out? What is needed so you guys can get past this? I have an interview coming up soon....So I'm interested.
Good luck to you guys.
David

You'll hear about this until your career is over or when the last Nic award pilot retires. Or dies. Many will never get past it. It takes a CEO with the slightest bit of courage and integrity to end this. The Alcoholic d-bag Doug Parker has neither in any measurable amount. So it's up to the legal system. 7 years on with zero progress and no end in sight of ending bk era contracts. I'd really think twice about making us air anything but a stepping stone.

 

[cactusboy53]

Guys I don't have a dog in this fight. We're up to page 23. I've read about both sides and I'm not going to chime in one way or the other. But my question is if you guys can get past this? Can you flip a coin or duke it out? What is needed so you guys can get past this? I have an interview coming up soon....So I'm interested.
Good luck to you guys.
David

David;
We "flipped a coin" when both bodies agreed to the merger process in 2005-2007. We will get past this eventually. It will happen when the company has had enough and makes a decision, when the courts rule specifically what must be done, or when one party finally agrees to keep their word.

The very best of luck in your interview. Contrary to what you read here, this is a good place to be. We will get a new contract and perhaps even get a merger. With that said, the best place to be is "on property".

CB

 

[charlie2]

???? Never heard that one. I know these west representatives that you speak. None of them would be stupid enough to negotiate away from an agreed upon process & the resulting final & binding arbitration. The East has proven time and time again that their word is worth spit.

Just another USAPA lie. You've heard of the Kubler-Ross stages of grief? It is a path to the completion of grief. Unfortunately, USAPian's just keep going in circles: DENIAL - ANGER - BARGAINING - DEPRESSION - DENIAL - ANGER - BARGAINING - DEPRESSION.....

Acceptance is never reached in this version of the KR model.

The West is ONLY to blame for defending our position. That and trusting that the east can keep their word.

Wow Dave that is a step in the right direction! You are finally agreeing that the nic was devastating to the east and we have grief and the KR model. Thanks for understanding. If you agree that it was devastating to us then you must also agree that the west got a huge windfall as well (your 2 month guy in training being the captain of our 16.4 year guys).

 

[charlie2]

David;
We "flipped a coin" when both bodies agreed to the merger process in 2005-2007. We will get past this eventually. It will happen when the company has had enough and makes a decision, when the courts rule specifically what must be done, or when one party finally agrees to keep their word.

The very best of luck in your interview. Contrary to what you read here, this is a good place to be. We will get a new contract and perhaps even get a merger. With that said, the best place to be is "on property".

CB

I agree 100% with you Dave about it being a good place. I enjoy my trips and for the most part enjoy everyone I work with. Yes even with a GOP House of Reps the NMB is going to have to finally work with us.

 

[TWA Dude]

You are finally agreeing that the nic was devastating to the east and we have grief and the KR model.

I don't doubt your grieve but it was self-inflicted. Your expectations were inflated due to wildly high self-importance and entitlement.

 

[abefly]

I agree 100% with you Dave about it being a good place. I enjoy my trips and for the most part enjoy everyone I work with. Yes even with a GOP House of Reps the NMB is going to have to finally work with us.

Has Doug accepted the DOH list yet? Or even entertaind the idea of accepting the DOH list yet? Been out of the loop for a while and just curious if anything has changed.

 

[The Drizzle]

Guys I don't have a dog in this fight. We're up to page 23. I've read about both sides and I'm not going to chime in one way or the other. But my question is if you guys can get past this? Can you flip a coin or duke it out? What is needed so you guys can get past this? I have an interview coming up soon....So I'm interested.
Good luck to you guys.
David

If you are at any regional, it will be worth coming here if you can swallow the first year pay. All the new hires in my class and the classes directly behind me are hoping this gets resolved at some point, hopefully by a merger with AA. One of the East posters claims the new-hires want to keep the Nic away to harvest attrition, but I haven't seen or heard that once in the circle of 30-40 or so new hires I've run in. I think that might just be some USAPA echo-chamber nonsense. The new hires seem to be focused on long-term careers.

USAir, decades of horrible pay..... horrible atmosphere.....good luck

Horrible pay, yes. The atmosphere as a new-hire has been excellent and I've enjoyed my few months on the line with all of my crews.

 

[Bringupthebird]

I have an interview coming up soon....So I'm interested.
Good luck to you guys.
David

I would pass on US. The "union" is not capable or interested in raising payrates or improving conditions. You will do much better at virtually any other airline. Quickly making captain wears off quickly when you're making 1/2 of the wage you could have had with any other airline.

If the AMR merger goes through, the whole mess will start over and the dysfunction will increase exponentially. There is absolutely no evidence that a merger will improve anything for US pilots long-term. And absent a merger, the "Union" will continue to extract money from the pilots and giving back only to a select few senior F/O's.

Move on and don't look back.

 

[Bringupthebird]

Horrible pay, yes. The atmosphere as a new-hire has been excellent and I've enjoyed my few months on the line with all of my crews.

So you've made a lateral move to a regional that flies a handful of large aircraft.

Yippee, I'll bet it's all you ever dreamed of.

 

[Bringupthebird]

And neither does Netanyahu - "You want peace? Well then - surrender"

Metrojet

Hamas is a great analogy to USAPA.

 

[The Drizzle]

So you've made a lateral move to a regional that flies a handful of large aircraft.

Yippee, I'll bet it's all you ever dreamed of.

I know you feel it's terrible here and it is by far the WORST of the Legacies, but reserve here is far better than being a middle of the pack line holder at the regionals. I don't regret my move one bit, ask me again in a few more years of USAPA continuing to keep us from getting the pay and contract we deserve.

Meanwhile, I'll fly and keep my resume and applications updated elsewhere.

 

[Bringupthebird]

Meanwhile, I'll fly and keep my resume and applications updated elsewhere.

Wise move. Don't emotionally invest here. You'll buy high and sell low.

 

[cactusboy53]

Wow Dave that is a step in the right direction! You are finally agreeing that the nic was devastating to the east and we have grief and the KR model. Thanks for understanding. If you agree that it was devastating to us then you must also agree that the west got a huge windfall as well (your 2 month guy in training being the captain of our 16.4 year guys).

Not so fast, Chuck. While the Nicolau may be perceived as a devastating event by you & many other east pilots, that does not make it fact. Just opinion.

I understand that the AAA MEC taught the AAA pilots that Date of Hire was a "lock". I understand that Arbitrator Nicolau instructed the AAA MC that Date of Hire was NOT GOING TO HAPPEN, and yet they (AAA MEC) continued to lead the AAA pilots that DOH was the way it was going down.

The devastation was self taught & self imposed. The two most junior employed pilots that brought a job to the merger were placed right next to each other (Mondus & O'Dell). How is that a windfall??

This will finish, and in the correct legal way. The DOH will lose ultimately, and we will ALL have lost Hundreds of Millions in pay, benefits & time off.

Sad.

 

[SXMp2c]

Wise move. Don't emotionally invest here. You'll buy high and sell low.

how many more months till you retire?

 

[Bringupthebird]

it is by far the WORST of the Legacies, but reserve here is far better than being a middle of the pack line holder at the regionals.

It's supposed to be incomparably better than any regional!!!

That's the whole reason folks sweat it out instructing and then dodging storms in a clapped out 310 full seat belt buckles headed to Cleveland, then sitting on the slowly creeping career moving sidewalk called the regionals. The only thing keeping US from being a top-tier career is a couple hundred selfish senior F/O's on the east who ginned up USAPA in the first place and their 3000 ignorant and equally selfish co-workers who enable them (through their tacit approval) to hold the rest of the airline hostage to their indefensible and unreasonable demands. They know full well that if the pilots could vote on the MOU offer w/Nic, it would pass overwhelmingly.

You (and I) worked too hard to inherit someone else's raw deal in perpetuity.

 

[Metrojet]

Hamas is a great analogy to USAPA.

Actually you are somewhat on the right anaolgy just reversed - aren't the Westies always accusing the East of occupying their "lawfully awarded Captains Seat"?

You should go on youtube and watch some of those video's showing Hamas blowing themselves up by accident - sort of like those dumb videos the West has put out - especially that last music rapping video of some Westies trying to sing.

Metrojet

 

[Turtle21]

I would pass on US...

If it is so much better elsewhere, and the future here even worse, why don't you just make yourself happy and leave now to any place where it is better?

Move on and don't look back.

Why give advice you wouldn't follow yourself?

 

[Turtle21]

Has Doug accepted the DOH list yet? Or even entertaind the idea of accepting the DOH list yet? Been out of the loop for a while and just curious if anything has changed.

Doug is focused on AA.

APA is focused on DOH + 2 advantage for them in the event of a merge.

 

[SXMp2c]

hey bird, answer my question!

 

[Bringupthebird]

delete

 

[Bringupthebird]

APA is focused on DOH + 2 advantage for them in the event of a merge.

So says the returning furloughee that feels it's his right to steal a few hundred west postions. I doubt you'll find many new hires interested in your brand of delusion.

Your credibility is virtually non existant.

 

[Bringupthebird]

Why give advice you wouldn't follow yourself?

I would have loved to have advice many many years ago that someday a group of so-called pilots would coalesce into a group made in the image of Lorenzo to attack fellow pilots and let their selfishness drag down the entire profession. But I had optimism and confidence in the brotherhood of pilots that that would never happen.

That confidence has obviously been misplaced.

 

[Bringupthebird]

Actually you are somewhat on the right anaolgy just reversed - aren't the Westies always accusing the East of occupying their "lawfully awarded Captains Seat"?

You should go on youtube and watch some of those video's showing Hamas blowing themselves up by accident - sort of like those dumb videos the West has put out - especially that last music rapping video of some Westies trying to sing.

Metrojet

Who got themselves an injuction, Capt. Lanyard?

 

[Turtle21]

Just in, crocodile cries for drama queen victim, details at the top of the hour.