USAir East West NIC Award Resolution? Very soon!

[pave driver]

Say again? Do you have an equivalent word in USAPIAN?

u·ni·ty/ˈyo͞onətē/
Noun:
The state of being united or joined as a whole, esp. in a political context.
Harmony or agreement between people or groups.

 

[Turtle21]

October 30 Court Filings by USAirways

http://leonidas.cactuspilots.us/Declatory_Relief/Doc199_reconsider.pdf

http://leonidas.cactuspilots.us/Declatory_Relief/Doc200_USA_motion_for_relief.pdf

http://leonidas.cactuspilots.us/Declatory_Relief/Doc201_Siegel_declaration.pdf

The lawyers for USAir are either the most incompetent boobs or the most despicable, conniving, manipulators.

The USAir lawyers are completely ignorant (incompetent) or flatly denying (despicable) the fact that THE COMPANY MUST NEGOTIATE WITH USAPA to bring about a possible JCBA for presentation to the ENTIRE membership for ratification.... NO WHERE did the 9th or judge Silver EVER say that USAPA and the so-called West pilots were expected to negotiate at all about anything. But the 9th and Silver both said that the COMPANY and USAPA must negotiate.. and this foot dragging by DUI and his merry band of bankruptcy paying marauders is way out of bounds.

Sending crap like the excerpt below to the court that told them... the COMPANY MUST NEGOTIATE WITH USAPA... incompetent boobs or conniving manipulators.. either way it is disgusting!!


"the seniority dispute between the West Pilots and USAPA – a dispute which, as demonstrated by the new developments described herein, is impossible to resolve through the negotiation process." (No ******************** it is impossible for the pilots to resolve this until they have a JCBA to VOTE ON, on that the company refuses to negotiate on, in violation of the 9th order and Silver's ORDER)



"The recent correspondence between the West Pilots and USAPA, exchanged after the Court’s summary judgment decision, makes it abundantly clear that the seniority dispute between USAPA and the West Pilots is intractable, and will not be resolved in the collective bargaining negotiations that have been conducted with USAPA for more than four years without success." (Incompetent boobs or conniving manipulators---The COMPANY has NOT negotiated with USAPA for any amount of time, much less four years. They refuse to come to the table and pretend that USAPA and the West Pilots are the rightful place to negotiate... HOGWASH is for PIGS.)

 

[TWA Dude]

The lawyers for USAir are either the most incompetent boobs or the most despicable, conniving, manipulators.

The latter. Just like USAPA.

The USAir lawyers are completely ignorant (incompetent) or flatly denying (despicable) the fact that THE COMPANY MUST NEGOTIATE WITH USAPA to bring about a possible JCBA for presentation to the ENTIRE membership for ratification....

Um, if they "must" then why aren't we in JCBA talks right now? Hint: because the NMB parked us due to an obvious impasse. Judge Silver's ruling has NOT eliminated that impasse. You've read her ruling but apparently failed to understand its meaning.

When your lawyer Lee Sleazum argued in front of Judge Wake that USAPA was only trying to eliminate a seniority impasse everyone laughed -- because it was obvious that impasse was USAPA's creation. NOTHING HAS CHANGED SINCE! You may claim USAPA has no fear of a DFR suit but Dug certainly has made a good case for his fear. I needn't quote that part from Silver's ruling, do I?

 

[Turtle21]

The latter. Just like USAPA.Um, if they "must" then why aren't we in JCBA talks right now? Hint: because the NMB parked us due to an obvious impasse. Judge Silver's ruling has NOT eliminated that impasse. You've read her ruling but apparently failed to understand its meaning.

When your lawyer Lee Sleazum argued in front of Judge Wake that USAPA was only trying to eliminate a seniority impasse everyone laughed -- because it was obvious that impasse was USAPA's creation. NOTHING HAS CHANGED SINCE! You may claim USAPA has no fear of a DFR suit but Dug certainly has made a good case for his fear. I needn't quote that part from Silver's ruling, do I?

Its nothing more than another stunt by DUI and his friends.

If Marty could get the courts to force USAPA to abide by the Nic then Marty would be writing to the courts, but instead he is writing letters to USAPA begging them to capitulate and agree to use the seniority proposal that is preferred by his clients.

Sooner or later a majority of the West is going to realize their lawyer is stringing them along, for crying out loud he isn't even able to get off his knees in USAPA's HQ. He can't even get in the door at a court house.

 

[becket]

Its nothing more than another stunt by DUI and his friends.

If Marty could get the courts to force USAPA to abide by the Nic then Marty would be writing to the courts, but instead he is writing letters to USAPA begging them to capitulate and agree to use the seniority proposal that is preferred by his clients.

Sooner or later a majority of the West is going to realize their lawyer is stringing them along, for crying out loud he isn't even able to get off his knees in USAPA's HQ. He can't even get in the door at a court house.

You're on crack. The Company knows any list other than the Nic is a DFR. It's absurd that they have to FIRST knowingly break the law and be LIABLE for it before the courts will enforce the law they told them they were breaking. The Nic isn't going away. Ever. If the Company agrees to the slightest change,USAPA created condition or restriction, we are going to sue the living sh@t out of them. Promise. We will win to. It's obvious. They know it. They have to negotiate with USAPA...THEY DO NOT HAVE TO NEGOTIATE SENIORITY.

I wonder how the NMB meeting will go:laugh:

We told you to get real comfortable on LOA93...here's your proof. Choke on it.

 

[TWA Dude]

Sooner or later a majority of the West is going to realize their lawyer is stringing them along, ...

I love it when Easties try to warn us about our own lawyers. It means you feel threatened. (And BTW, remember how we warned you about Lee Sleazum? What happened to him anyway?)

Unlike the extortion money you force us to pay for lawyers working against us, the Leonidas lawyers are supported only through voluntary contributions. As soon as we feel we're not being represented properly the money will stop. Feel better now?

 

[weasel_lips]

You guys need to give it up, it is a pointless waste of time to argue back and forth on here. Go invest your time doing something productive.

The resolution sure as hell is not going to come from FI.COM

 

[Flybywire44]

You guys need to give it up, it is a pointless waste of time to argue back and forth on here. Go invest your time doing something productive.

The resolution sure as hell is not going to come from FI.COM

Yup... The end game is near.

Grab some pop corn and chill.

 

[Turtle21]

"being “bound” by the Transition Agreement has very little meaning in the context
of the present case. It is undisputed that the Transition Agreement can be modified at any
time “by written agreement of [USAPA] and the [US Airways].” (Doc. 156-3 at 38).
Moreover, USAPA and US Airways are now engaged in negotiations for an entirely new
collective bargaining agreement and there is no obvious impediment to USAPA and US
Airways negotiating and agreeing upon any seniority regime they wish. As explained
by the Ninth Circuit, “seniority rights are creations of the collective bargaining agreement,
and so may be revised or abrogated by later negotiated changes in this agreement.” Hass v.
Darigold Dairy Products Co., 751 F.2d 1096, 1099 (9th Cir. 1985). And a union “may
renegotiate seniority provisions of a collective bargaining agreement, even though the
resulting changes are essentially retroactive or affect different employees unequally.”

...
"it is unlikely the West Pilots could successfully allege claims against US Airways merely for not insisting that USAPA continue to advocate for the Nicolau Award."

 

[TWA Dude]

I don't know why you keep posting quotes you don't understand. Yes, you can negotiate seniority but FIRST you need a) somebody to negotiate with and b) a legitimate union purpose to do so. You have neither. It's like Judge Silver has given you a lottery ticket you can't cash!