USA Jet Question

[PUNISHER]

Saying you work for the finest Falcon 20 operator is like saying you're the coolest kid with down syndrome. You may be cool with your super awesome, best in the world training program but when it comes down to it you're still retarded.

 

[Metro752]

Make it stop, it hurts.

 

[pilotyip]

Not for cool people

Saying you work for the finest Falcon 20 operator is like saying you're the coolest kid with down syndrome. You may be cool with your super awesome, best in the world training program but when it comes down to it you're still retarded.

If a pilot really feels they are cool, and above gaining experience in the on-demand business, they definably should not apply at USA Jet, they should go straight to DAL, SWA, FedEx or UPS that is where all the cool pilots go. But for those who want to build a solid foundation for the flying career, a place like USA Jet where you get hired at 1000TT, at 35K per year, gain real experience in flying a two man team in CRM environment and find your moving to the DC-9 as an F/0 after 6 months, USA Jet might be the place. Then finding yourself hired at a career position after years would be icing on the cake. For pilots who feel they are better than this, best of luck.

 

[hammer2]

And you get fries with that too!

 

[kingaira90]

I'm gonna throw the BS card on that one. I can think of a finer operator out there that doesn't have on again/off again layoffs randomly. Always break guarantee and we get our scheduled raises no matter what "business dictates". What's wrong with training in the airplane on 91 legs?

Have they raised the gnt above 300-350wk for the FO and 400wk for the CPT? Hopefully they have! I know they went to second year pay off the bat which is good. That was my biggest difficulty there. If you don't fly much you didn't get paid enough to live on. I left Kalitta to USA jet the year after the USA jet paycut. I figured out how much the pay was with the paycut. It was about 5000 more than I made my first year at Kalitta. And in reality from talking to guys here it was more like 12000 more on year 1 pay.

If business slow at at Kalitta, you feel it the very next paycheck. The same cost cutting is built directly into the way you are payed, by the mile with a low gnt.

While I think the ground schools were similar, it was nice to only go through 1 aircraft's ground school at a time. Makes it very difficult to remember the correct stuff when they are always back to back.

I can say hands down it was better to have ground school followed directly by CPT then directly to the SIM. Everything added on each other and their was little time to forget. Then you get back from the sim, maybe have a few days off to catch up on sleep then go do bounces and get on the road and do IOE. Of course the last 2 depend on the amount of flying and training cpts flying. But it helped a lot to do everything back to back, no time to forget. At least not forget all of it.

It is nice to be able to move directly to the -9, get load pay, crew meals, and a paycheck on gnt that you can live on.

Of course it wasn't all bad. I really liked the guys I flew with at Kalitta (a pain or 2, but you get that anywhere). Fun flying, lots of diversity, I liked paid wait time.

I hear the guys doing the DOD stuff are making great money. Which is GREAT for them! Although being gone from home for 2 weeks at a time must suck! Maybe good for a single guy. And the Air ambulance specialist stuff is gone 2 weeks at a time too, right? How many guys are actually flying trips out of YIP on a regular basis? I enjoyed coming home after a short trip. Which made the ambo and pax stuff nice.

Neither places is bad. Just different was of doing business.-kingaira90

 

[PUNISHER]

Of course it wasn't all bad. I really liked the guys I flew with at Kalitta (a pain or 2, but you get that anywhere). Fun flying, lots of diversity, I liked paid wait time.

I hear the guys doing the DOD stuff are making great money. Which is GREAT for them! Although being gone from home for 2 weeks at a time must suck! Maybe good for a single guy. And the Air ambulance specialist stuff is gone 2 weeks at a time too, right? How many guys are actually flying trips out of YIP on a regular basis? I enjoyed coming home after a short trip. Which made the ambo and pax stuff nice.

Neither places is bad. Just different was of doing business.-kingaira90

Well said.
Kalitta has definitely changed since we started that ground school back in NOV of O4. I seriously thought about leaving too but at the time there just wasn't much else available. They have increased pay and the flying is very much different then it was a few years ago. The DOD treats us well.
Since the first of the year the earliest call out I've had was about 15 hours, so in other words we really are doing very little, true on-demand flying. We get crew meals now, which is a big plus. On the down side we work are arses off. Like you said above we don't do many trips out of YIP anymore. You are pretty much gone for 2 weeks at a time unless you request to fly out of YIP, which = back on the pager. Most guys are happy to be gone doing contract work and have some what of a schedule. Like you said, they are both good companies just different ways of doing things.

 

[kingaira90]

Glad things have improved. You guys deserve it! -kingaira90

 

[atpcliff]

Hi!

If U want a bunch of info on USA Jet, PM me with your email.

Good Luck!

cliff
GRB

PS-Had about 23 days on, and now on about 23 days off. Freaky.

 

[kingaira90]

Well said.
Kalitta has definitely changed since we started that ground school back in NOV of O4. I seriously thought about leaving too but at the time there just wasn't much else available. They have increased pay and the flying is very much different then it was a few years ago. The DOD treats us well.
Since the first of the year the earliest call out I've had was about 15 hours, so in other words we really are doing very little, true on-demand flying. We get crew meals now, which is a big plus. On the down side we work are arses off. Like you said above we don't do many trips out of YIP anymore. You are pretty much gone for 2 weeks at a time unless you request to fly out of YIP, which = back on the pager. Most guys are happy to be gone doing contract work and have some what of a schedule. Like you said, they are both good companies just different ways of doing things.

forgot to ask, how has the pay changed? Other than the 2nd year f/o pay from day one. Thanks-kingaira90

 

[B-J-J Fighter]

Cliff are you in the left seat of the DC 9 now?