USA JET PILOTS: Now what?

[clansinclair]

Well, how do you guys feel about the "great" news we just got?

 

[PCL_128]

What news did you guys get?

 

[pilotyip]

More days off, DC-9 15 off every 28 days, DA-20 13 off every 28 days. Now that is great news.

 

[falcon20driver]

Is that for real? If it is, is it permanent or summer schedule?

 

[pilotyip]

it is for real starting today

 

[PCL_128]

More days off, DC-9 15 off every 28 days, DA-20 13 off every 28 days. Now that is great news.

Wow, those are actually really good schedules. Congrats guys, I know you all work hard over there.

 

[falcon20driver]

Did the pay stay the same?

 

[clansinclair]

Yes, the 3 extra days off is great news. The problem is that those 3 extra days off cost me over $1100.00 p/mo. Frankly, I needed the cash more than 3 more days off. Furthermore, now I have to fly 15 hours over the new guarantee just to earn my old regular pay. The inequity is that the company only gave me 3 days off w/pay to "compensate" for the 4 days pay they took from my salary. I'm not "bitter", just confused.

 

[falcon20driver]

USA Jet F/O Falcon use to start at $2,850. a month, what is it now?

 

[Digital]

I am very pleased to see you all have more days off.. I am sure you will be able to sell some of those days back in order to help compensate for any loss in income. It may not look good right off the bat to those of you who enjoy working many extra hours per month. However, I am sure the company will not always be staffed the way they wish they were. And thus, many of you who love to sell days off while flying over guarentee will probably have the chance to do so. I would love to know how things really shake out as far as pay, guarentee.. etc..

Keep me posted, and congratulations!! At least to those who love their time off, as well as, those commuters!!

 

[clansinclair]

Well, I just asked my new "fresh-out-of-IOE" F/O how the new "pay scheme" affected him, and his salary went from just over $34K p/yr to just over $26K p/yr. As for me, I just went from just under $61K p/yr to just under $47K p/yr. No matter how you look at it, that's just not great news.

 

[Digital]

Wow.. If that's true, that is quite a hit off the guarentee.. I am sorry for the previous post. I assumed they left your pay the same! Again keep me posted to any changes. Thanks guys!

 

[clansinclair]

Hey pilotyip, instead of going to 13 days off and a 30% paycut, can I just go to 7 days off and keep my pay the same?

 

[Jim]

More days off, DC-9 15 off every 28 days, DA-20 13 off every 28 days. Now that is great news.

Well, I just asked my new "fresh-out-of-IOE" F/O how the new "pay scheme" affected him, and his salary went from just over $34K p/yr to just over $26K p/yr. As for me, I just went from just under $61K p/yr to just under $47K p/yr. No mater how you look at it, that's just not great news.

Pilotyip - what an a$$ - trying to tell everyone what great guys you are giving more days off while concealing the fact you are actually cutting pay approx. 25%. Why not just be honest and tell the whole story instead of the spouting the typical management bull$hit of trying to say a turd taste good?


You must really believe your signature line because it's obvious you don't believe a pilot should be paid decently.


Not that you had a lot of creditability to begin with, but you just lost the little you had left on these boards.

 

[Gulfstream 200]

Certainly dont need a college degree to know you're getting bent over on this one!

 

[FracCapt]

Certainly dont need a college degree to know you're getting bent over on this one!

Damm....as I read this thread, I thought the same thing....but somebody beat me to it!

 

[clansinclair]

Hey guys, lighten up on pilotyip. You have to know the man. He's just trying to maintain a positive mental attitude about the situation. It's actually one of the many things I like about him.

The "situation" is not his fault, and I happen to personally know that he does believe pilots should be paid well for what they do. While he does do the "management song and dance routine" from time to time, I believe he does what he does in order to remain in a position to help us pilots as much as he can as a manager.

As disheartening as this situation is, the thing that gets me is that we've always been told that our owners have "deep" pockets, that USA Jets is in "good" hands, and that to come to work here is a "safe" bet. Yet, my experience here reaffirms that the only "safe" bet is that those "good" hands keep reaching "deep" into MY pockets everytime the economic situation turns sour. What really saddens me is that now I feel like we've finally stooped to the Ameristar level. Until now, I've always felt like we were the premier outfit in our industry.

Maybe our "arrogance" is coming back to haunt us. I realize now, that we aren't any safer a gamble as a career choice than anyother outfit in this industry. I heard that our D.O. is directly quoted as saying to the pilots at the meeting today, "If the 'goes-outtas' keep exceeding the 'goes-intas' at the current rate, USA Jet has about 3-4 months to live."

For the first time in my aviation career, I'm seriously taking a hard look at maybe perhaps being a truck driver might be the way to go from here. It's not just our company that's in trouble in this industry. We all know this. United, US Air, etc.? God knows, who'll be next. Fuel prices, FAA mandates/regulations, and a host of other things has wrought havoc on our industry.

The trouble with all this is that there doesn't seem to be any end of it in sight. I'm beginning to think that there really isn't anybody smart enough to lead our industry out of this quagmire. The "Unions" have failed to protect their members, "Industry Management" has proven to be inept, and we pilots continue to be hopeless addicts to "flying", willing to endure anything just to stay in an aircraft and in the air.

 

[House_X]

Hey guys, lighten up on pilotyip. You have to know the man. He's just trying to maintain a positive mental attitude about the situation. It's actually one of the many things I like about him.

The "situation" is not his fault, and I happen to personally know that he does believe pilots should be paid well for what they do. While he does do the "management song and dance routine" from time to time, I believe he does what he does in order to remain in a position to help us pilots as much as he can as a manager.

As disheartening as this situation is, the thing that gets me is that we've always been told that our owners have "deep" pockets, that USA Jets is in "good" hands, and that to come to work here is a "safe" bet. Yet, my experience here reaffirms that the only "safe" bet is that those "good" hands keep reaching "deep" into MY pockets everytime the economic situation turns sour. What really saddens me is that now I feel like we've finally stooped to the Ameristar level. Until now, I've always felt like we were the premier outfit in our industry.

Maybe our "arrogance" is coming back to haunt us. I realize now, that we aren't any safer a gamble as a career choice than anyother outfit in this industry. I heard that our D.O. is directly quoted as saying to the pilots at the meeting today, "If the 'goes-outtas' keep exceeding the 'goes-intas' at the current rate, USA Jet has about 3-4 months to live."

For the first time in my aviation career, I'm seriously taking a hard look at maybe perhaps being a truck driver might be the way to go from here. It's not just our company that's in trouble in this industry. We all know this. United, US Air, etc.? God knows, who'll be next. Fuel prices, FAA mandates/regulations, and a host of other things has wrought havoc on our industry.

The trouble with all this is that there doesn't seem to be any end of it in sight. I'm beginning to think that there really isn't anybody smart enough to lead our industry out of this quagmire. The "Unions" have failed to protect their members, "Industry Management" has proven to be inept, and we pilots continue to be hopeless addicts to "flying", willing to endure anything just to stay in an aircraft and in the air.

I'm a fomer "Detroiter"...got a couple of buddies that are design engineer's for GM. USA Jet must be getting hit hard by the downturn in the automotive industry...GM, Ford and Chrysler are hurting "big time" due to the lack of truck sales.

 

[Wankel7]

I'm a fomer "Detroiter"...got a couple of buddies that are design engineer's for GM. USA Jet must be getting hit hard by the downturn in the automotive industry...GM, Ford and Chrysler are hurting "big time" due to the lack of truck sales.

Not sure where you got your "Big time " quote. But Chrysler is doing a bit better than the GM or Ford.

http://www.signonsandiego.com/uniontrib/20050302/news_1b2autos.html

I wish GM and Ford would figure something the #^$#%#@ out because I am tired of not flying.

Wankel

 

[Dart]

If you want more days...come to evergreen! all the flying you want. Normal 16 day lines but Im out for 22. Great paycheck...but lots of work.

Its like upper mng to give...but they like to take. That sucks for you guys. If you all thinkin of movin on...PM me! We need good guys over here. Drinkin free german beer in FranKfurt..and getting paid!! What else do you need.

Cheers