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So when I posted a mass layoff on 7-21-08 it was a rumor, huh. Looks like so called rumors are facts at USA JET.

Again I say rumors turn into facts at USA JET. If the Sept 15th layoff does not happen then great, all I'm saying is that is what is being talked about behind closed doors. Again I ask Yip, Why are you telling people If we make it to November we will be OK till next year. Something funny there I think.

By the way, N196US is due C-Check in 3 months. We will most likely park it, then we will be down to 3 cargo 9's. Do we really need all the man power to fly/fix/book 3 aircraft???
 
you after the fact

Again I say rumors turn into facts at USA JET. If the Sept 15th layoff does not happen then great, all I'm saying is that is what is being talked about behind closed doors. Again I ask Yip, Why are you telling people If we make it to November we will be OK till next year. Something funny there I think.

By the way, N196US is due C-Check in 3 months. We will most likely park it, then we will be down to 3 cargo 9's. Do we really need all the man power to fly/fix/book 3 aircraft???
that is not a rumor
 
How many are furlowed at usa jet now and how many more expected?


How many more expected, only CH knows that when he hands each VP of their department the list of how much their quarterly allowence is, verse what their bonus check will be.:mad:
 
that is not a rumor

"Remember this is a pilot board and you're not dealing with reality"
-Quote PilotYIP about 50 times here

Randy, if you would have better internal communication you would not have to defend yourself on anonymous internet forums. But I guess some things will never change there.

All the Best to all the pilots at JUS.
 
How many are furlowed at usa jet now and how many more expected?
USA Jet doesn't furlough - it's not a union place so people are terminated. There are no recall rights or anything.
 
history

USA Jet doesn't furlough - it's not a union place so people are terminated. There are no recall rights or anything.
there is history of returning previous qualifed pilots to their previous date of hire and equipment. However who knows if histroy will repeat itself
 
Randy is a good guy. Everyone gets pissed off at him for being so optimistic, and so positive. It's not fair. He's given a lot of guys a fair shake, and opportunities they would not have gotten anywhere else. He has no control over what happens at USA Jet. Randy is one of us, he's a pilot, and he understands what you all are going through.

You want to be pissed off, and upset, point your finger at the big fat bald loser in the corner office in the HQ building. He's all about big rigs, and semi trucks. TRUCKMASTERS. You cannot treat airline staff, and crew like morons. You cannot expect to have a safe operation when you get rid of all the folks that made it so.
 
Round two of cuts started this morning. I don't know how far back these cuts go yet. This sucks. Sorry to all that are getting the call today.
 
Upon further review, the preliminary information I am getting says 6 or 7 more pilots, DOH Feb 07.
 
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this is a damn shame aji has been hot as a pistol last few weeks. looks like freight just might turn the corner.
 
No mention of a severance package yet to this round of layoffs.
 
Hi.

There were 6 guys furloughed/fired/terminated in seniority order, and 2 OUT of seniority order!

cliff
YIP
 
USA Jet back into the DA-20 business 827 is up and running crewed with non-payroll contract pilots. Of which I am one. Retired on 1-3-09
 
USA Jet back into the DA-20 business 827 is up and running crewed with non-payroll contract pilots. Of which I am one. Retired on 1-3-09

Translation: "I've got mine"

True colors.....

CE
 
827 gets revenue trip

Not working for free, but hanging around waiting for work for free, two guys got paid tonigth for a trip, I get paid for doing a ck ride tommrow. Life is good
 
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FAR 135 Subpart E Flight Crew Req's.
FAR 135 Subpart G Crewmember Testing Req's
FAR 135 Subpart H Training
FAR 135 Subpart J MX Req's
FAR 135 Subpart K HazMat

Seems like a long and expensive row to hoe?

My Co. was one of the first to decline flying contract work for Active Aero after the treatment of the -20 crews. There is not more flying to be had, rather, the AA side of the house is losing some of its most treasured customers to a savvy desire to find a better deal in this challenging economy. More AA work is going to other brokers who pay their contractors faster and thusly are losing customers needing the smaller (less than -9) work flown. Stands to reason, they may be revising their business model to fly the -20 (and much smaller) work at lower costs in an effort to secure their old relationships.

I don’t understand how you can do indoc/recurrent in a day and start the line the next. Even previously trained joes need IOE on the certificate holder’s ops specs by the bulk of training programs approved by the FAA. Different story altogether for “Recalled” employees resuming flying but, even those guys get a line/route check after recurrent ground instruction when returning from a layoff. The feds do not typically approve manuals that say I pilot can be away from flying for 6+ months, return and not go through some length of ground/indoc/recurrent training to include line and route checks for the crews and operator before generating any revenue. Not even for a seasonal operator.

As a "contract" non payroll employee, you are in the same boat as the companies contracted to fly USA/AA work. Particularly with regard to Bankruptcy Court proceedings. Others have suggested and I would agree, the guys at the top are riding the gravy train as long as they could. Returning to USAJet as contract labor would be the "extenze" in the Big Dick's and they would likely hold little more regard in the end than the -20 guys first got this past summer?

In any case, RVSM, 135 Subparts E , G, H, J, K, when you add it all up, more junior guys will be contracted because they are more likely still "current" and the expense alone should lack justification for the return. Also, how can you justify to the State of Michigan that a Former employee is not really an employee on “recall” and escape the LI, UI and workers compensation taxes that was once collected when someone returns to the same job they previously held, but now, as "contract labor"?

One last thought. If there was one remaining crew on the payroll flying the -20 through this mess and an opportunity came along in just this scenario, would you still fly along side your brothers contractually? Or, with less seniority than someone else who should get the call first? Will you be on the street and replaced when you decline the trip that will breach Duty/Flight limits?

Only you will know these answers. But, the writing will be on the wall if the bulk of your flying turns out to be 50 to 500 # -15 piece count loads that is in no way competitive to what others are giving trips away just for the cash flow. There is not anymore flying to be picked up overall, since after the -20 guys were let go and instead more fish in the pond are bidding against AA/USA work. Some of the guys on the cargo board side need to tell their bosses of this and decline bidding on AA work to keep them from bidding their -20’s for the lesser load work. I suspect this is a ploy by USA Mgmt to quell the losses of what little bit of flying there is left to competitors and continue bucketing water out of a dying ship.

Sorry, Yip, nothing personal. Just business.

100-1/2
 
Not a supporter

FAR 135 Subpart E Flight Crew Req's.

Sorry, Yip, nothing personal. Just business.

100-1/2
I only want to see the training and checking is done properly. I do not think this plan can go on forever. There is hope that these pilots will be converted back to full time employees at some point. Pay and days like Kalitta woudl probably work.
 
Hi.

4 DC-9 captains were recalled in the last few days. I made phone calls to confirm this rumour.

The DO told us guys would be recalled in seniority order (the lay-offs were not). The recalls were not in seniority order.

cliff
GRB
 

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