US Wholly-owned done for

[AAPilot]

His message is true, I was there. Should have heard my teeth hit the floor after his comments.

Ok, i was hoping that I wouldnt have to ask this but the end is in sight my friends. Who's hiring?

328dude, I assume your at PSA Airlines, which I have a few friends there, and I am curious what this means for you guys? I notice that PDT and ALG are firing pilots and getting rid of the props, but I have not heard this of PSA. As a matter of fact I heard that PSA just renewed there prop leases. Also a friend who is already furloughed from his airline, just got furloughed Monday from PSA and all future classes cancelled. Of course the Director of Operations came into there class last week and told them he thought "PSA would get at least 30 jets", only to then fulough the whole class Monday.

Remember guys time is time and try to get as much PIC turbine as you can, as I have friends who are furloughed and would love to have the chance at Jet Blue or Southworst, but can't because of the jump they made before they had the 1000 hours of PIC. I wish this was all a bad dream for you guys, but its not, and once we start hiring I will gladly help anyone out.

 

[LearLove]

True?

Hey 328dude not to start anything but I'm hearing from other people that he didn't say this and its not true. Anyway I plan on asking him in PHL on the 28th.

 

[328dude]

I wish it wasent true my friend. I hope you get a diffrrent response and Seigal thinks diffrently about things when you ask him the same question.

As far as PSA goes? Hmmm, not real sure. Only the 8 guys are on the list so far and so far that's the only one's. As far as getting jets......I'll believe it the first time I write one up in the can. God, i hope it does and everybody from PDT and ALG get to come back, but very doughtful right now. PSA is very hush hush about things and or VP of OPS has been in closed doors the last four days. Something is brewing and I hope it's a good thing.

I've met alot of the AA guys that are back with us. All great guys. I hate to see any of them get furloughed or anybody for that fact but twice in one year really scratches the monkeys arse.

 

[JetProp]

Flyin@500agl:

This is the Piedmont Pilot update for Wednesday May 22, 2002.

There are three new items in this update.

Item one, USAirways road show. Today USAirways CEO David Siegel conducted the first of several road shows in Charlotte. The road show consisted of a Power Point presentation that outlined the challenges and choices facing USAirways, followed by a question and answer session. Most of the Power Point presentation was conducted from the letter that was sent out to all employees last Thursday May 16th. During the question and answer portion of the presentation, a question was posed to Mr. Siegel regarding the upstart of Potomac airlines and regional jets. He was asked why the company is once again starting up Potomac airlines and bringing in a new management team and employees, when he has three highly capable wholly owned airlines that are furloughing pilots and returning aircraft to their lessor. All this in the middle of talks of needing to save money to preserve USAirways. His response was that he was more concerned about preserving 11,000 mainline jobs, and that Potomac airlines will provide mainline furloughees with a job. He went on to say that these furloughees would provide Potomac with "experienced jet pilots." He also said that the wholly owned airlines were costing the company more money over the past few years, and it was cheaper to operate flights using the contract carriers. Mr. Siegel said that the wholly owned carriers were offered the chance to negotiate for the RJ's, but that all three said no.

Your MEC was extremely shocked by Mr. Siegel's comments today in light of the fact that we've been negotiating with USAirways and Piedmont management for the last three weeks and as recently as this afternoon. The proposal we presented to management last week is still on the table and waiting their approval, regardless of Mr. Siegel's comments. Your MEC Chairman has contacted Piedmont management, USAirways MEC Chairman Chris Beebe, and ALPA President Duane Woerth in an effort to understand Mr. Siegel's statement and ask for clarification. More information will follow in the coming days.

 

[LearLove]

Yah I herd it last night

Like I sad I'm not trying to start anything but it sounds a little fishy to me and some others out there. Anyway like I said I'll ask again when he is in phl. Also if we are costing him $$$$ then why hasn't himself or Wolf (in the past) shut us down. We all know that they would do it if we wern't making money.

 

[JetProp]

None of it makes sense. If U is in dire straits, why antagonize the WO's? I think we can do more to help if given a fair chance.

 

[328dude]

We all need to stay strong and not let managment strong arm us into a deal that is bad for our guys and preserve dads livilihood and sends ours into a downward spiral.

Believe it our not, I think all the regionals are watching what is going on at U, and we are defently in the superbowl game of regional versus mainline company's.

Stay strong boys and girls.

 

[328dude]

500: Let me know what Seigals answer was this time when you ask the question in PHL. I'd love to hear it.

 

[Slim]

If one used Siegel's (ill)logic, CMR should never have flown jets when they became the CL-65 U.S. launch customer. Prior to the time the CL-65 arrived on the property, CMR operated SF-340s, EMB-120s, Shorts 330s, EMB-110s and Metroliners. Does that mean CMR pilots were not and should not be flying any jets? I hope one of you asks that question.

The argument Siegel is using is similar to the one APA used when jets were planned for AE. It seems ALPA has Siegel right where they want him.

Good luck wholly owned pilots!

Fly safe!

 

[Vrefus]

500'AGL,

I've noticed one huge money eater for the wholly owneds. If you've been to CLT recently, to me, it seems like the ground ops is terribly over staffed. You walk by some gates on the E Concourse and there are a lot of times 6-8 agents at each podium, plus there is a constant turnover of folks. It was seeming as though every Monday there was a new class of new hires being indoc-ed.

Believe me when I say I know the situatution you're in and I feel for ya all. But this is merely just an observation on my part.

 

[canadflyau]

"If one used Siegel's (ill)logic, CMR should never have flown jets when they became the CL-65 U.S. launch customer. Prior to the time the CL-65 arrived on the property, CMR operated SF-340s, EMB-120s, Shorts 330s, EMB-110s and Metroliners. Does that mean CMR pilots were not and should not be flying any jets?"

Not only that.. look at US Air's history.. where did mainline come from? A bunch of inexperienced turbo-prop pilots... started flying jets... give me a break Siegal!!!!!!!!!

 

[LR25]

They are saying anything at this point to save this sinking ship.

They will most likely survive, but at the expence of alot of good people (regionals) and alot of talking out of both sides of the mouth proving they don't give a hoot about the people that are actually saving this airline, thats right, the WO's.

Hey, when it comes down to saying that an airline is not going to get jets becuase they cant handle them, well , after that what can you believe or take seriously from them.

 

[rightrudder]

USAir wants to cut costs: so, they fire the lowest paid employees in their system (WO fo's) and replace them with crews where each makes CA pay regardless of seat?

That makes lots of sense...no wonder USAir is going down the toilet.

RR

 

[bayoubandit]

328dude

I was just wondering if you had any idea how many AA guys you have over there and how close they are from being furloughed. I'm an AA'er and was just curious about their status. Alot of us have been trying to figure out how many guys have gotten flying jobs since last Oct. Good luck to you guys and thanks for any info!!

 

[BaPilot]

Hey, didn't Seigel Run CO-Ex.

And wasn't CO-Ex all turbo Props.

Now they have JETS and these pilots are doing a great job.

So his comments have no substance.

He's just throwing stones at WO for not caving in to his Bull S**t plan.

Maybe he should offer food stamps next time. The poor gets poorer and the rich gets richer. I guess Seigel's next plan will be to hire Day Laborers. How Low can you go....

Terminated Alg pilot.....