US Airways to hire

[Bringupthebird]

Hey smart guy. With over half of there pilot group retireing in the next 5 years do you really think you would be a 15 years Emb-190 Capt at USair. The point that keeps guys interviewing there right now is the fact that you will be a Captain on a heavy in 6-7 years.

Give this guy your home address so he can throw a brick through your window when he's back as a reserve EMB F/O after 4 years of furlough.

Quit giving people advice when you can't predict the future AND that unpredictable future has no effect on you.

Usually one balances risk and return to decide on making a bet. US is all risk and no return courtesy of the same pilots enticing you to apply.

 

[charlie2]

Give this guy your home address so he can throw a brick through your window when he's back as a reserve EMB F/O after 4 years of furlough.

Quit giving people advice when you can't predict the future AND that unpredictable future has no effect on you.

Usually one balances risk and return to decide on making a bet. US is all risk and no return courtesy of the same pilots enticing you to apply.

I would never advise a pilot to take a job here but when I jumpseat to work on expresses I often get asked "should I apply to mainline?" My answer is this: I think it is safer to be with an independent carrier than a contract one. USA Airways will retire 1000's of pilots over the next decade. Sometimes the younger pilot will ask why and I tell them what we all know about the legacies cancelling contracts with an express ops and that airline going away forever. The list is long.

 

[Scoot 11]

Hey bud not my fault they follow the army of laryngitis off the cliff. They could have gone DOH with us and had jobs!!!

So, in your eyes, binding is only binding when you agree with it?
And what up with the furlough comments? So you're saying because you aren't abiding by arbitration that you're "glad" there are furloughs?
If so, I stand by my position that you are a POS!

 

[$$$4nothin]

Give this guy your home address so he can throw a brick through your window when he's back as a reserve EMB F/O after 4 years of furlough.

Quit giving people advice when you can't predict the future AND that unpredictable future has no effect on you.

Usually one balances risk and return to decide on making a bet. US is all risk and no return courtesy of the same pilots enticing you to apply.

You are saying there are only risk and no reward over the next 30 years over going to a Legacy carrier (yes we all know there problems) than staying at a regional.

 

[Bringupthebird]

Nope. I said USAirways was all risk and no reward due solely to the actions and behaviors of one pilot group against another. Take that out of the mix and it's still jump ball.

 

[weasel_lips]

If we ever do get together say bye bye to PHX. Better for everyone to stay separate.

 

[Dornier 335]

If we ever do get together say bye bye to PHX. Better for everyone to stay separate.

Not for third listers, please. I'd love PHX.

 

[bri5150]

Any word on when they will open the app window or start calls for those already in the system?

 

[Dornier 335]

No word yet. New hire classes and/or interviews have been pushed back a little, now the end of first quarter of '12. Additional rumors of getting the 10 E190s back from Republic. Hang in there!

 

[i fly boxes]

I just looked at the app i filled out from last time to see if i could update my stuff and it just says not selected, try other positions. Do others profiles say that as well until they open the app window again?

 

[Guppiedriver]

Hey smart guy. With over half of there pilot group retireing in the next 5 years do you really think you would be a 15 years Emb-190 Capt at USair. The point that keeps guys interviewing there right now is the fact that you will be a Captain on a heavy in 6-7 years. So do yourself a favor and ask yourself where you want to be in 7 years. In 15 years at pinnacle you will be flying a crj900 for $99/hr give or take a few bucks, (New contract etc) maybe. In 7 years at Airways you will be an A-330 capt. makeing $153 an hour, with more small raises comeing in your future. Worst case scenario you are an A-330 FO makeing $101/hr with a long term potential to make a lot more.

So the real question comes down to how old you are and how well you think you can tell the future. If you are 30 I would call you an idiot for not going and taking the chance. If you are 45+ I would say stay put, hope for the best, pay off all your debt, put as much into your retirement as possible and you will probably retire ok.

Psst............. If a word ends with an -e, take off the -e and add -ing.

 

[Bringupthebird]

If we ever do get together say bye bye to PHX. Better for everyone to stay separate.

If AMR comes to pass kiss DCA and PHL goodbye! but not before dumping the east pilots that go with them.

 

[cbrown1]

No word yet. New hire classes and/or interviews have been pushed back a little, now the end of first quarter of '12. Additional rumors of getting the 10 E190s back from Republic. Hang in there!

On the last round do you know by chance what the times and backgrounds of the people who were hired?

I just looked at the app i filled out from last time to see if i could update my stuff and it just says not selected, try other positions. Do others profiles say that as well until they open the app window again?

Same thing for me.

 

[reepicheep]

If AMR comes to pass kiss DCA and PHL goodbye! but not before dumping the east pilots that go with them.

CLT. No O & D. Look it up. Been tried. RDU, BNA. If AMR comes to pass kiss Mayberry goodbye.

 

[$$$4nothin]

Psst............. If a word ends with an -e, take off the -e and add -ing.

Thank you FI spelling police. I moved a lot as a kid and I guess I missed that lesson. Grammer lesson noted

 

[Guppiedriver]

Thank you FI spelling police. I moved a lot as a kid and I guess I missed that lesson. Grammer lesson noted

You set yourself up with, "Hey smart guy." I'll let you slide on grammar.

 

[Fubijaakr]

Ignorance is bliss.

 

[waveflyer]

A. I'm not embarrassed personally. I have no dog in this fight, except that its hard to justify higher payrates for my 37 seat turboprop when Republic is flying aircraft 3 times as big for lower rates.
B. Where are you getting all your salary info? Guesses?
C. My initial comment about Republics pay rates that prompted your rant is still correct in spite of everything you've guessed at.

A. And republic will have a hard time raising their rates when mainline guys are "in the ballpark" (<---- good enough??)

B. APC and my good friends actual paystubs that I look at over beers in CLT

C. Keep thinking I'm guessing new guy, but I know what I know from experience and first hand knowledge-

But to what end are you arguing? My ENTIRE POINT is that the usapa stand is hamstringing east pilots into maintaining a pay scale that they could have made better 4 YEARS ago.

Are you defending that?

 

[waveflyer]

Usair E190 F/O start at 41:22H Top out at 55:00H with 5H min day, duty rigs and TAFB rigs, + 10% freebie goes into 401K, Per Diem 2:00H, all DH goes above guarantee, guarantee is 76H btw unless you are senior enough to hold long call. Training pay is 85 or 88 a month depending on the number of days in the month. The most junior pilot is on the A320 in DCA so no pilot will be ( as of now ) forced to be on year 2 on the E190 pay. Pay will go up 2% Jan first ( I know big deal ) Does it suck? hell yeah for a major it does.

Rep E190 F/0 start at 23:00H ( year 2 31H ) Tops out at 37:00. No min day, no duty rigs, no TAFB rigs, no cancellation pay, 6% 401K match. So you are right our work rule and pay rate sucks but still much better than Republic.

What are the trip and tafb rigs?? My friends describe no way in which to break guarantee-

The 10% is nice and so is training pay- AND there are definitely worse 1st year situations (CAL!)- but those stuck on the 190 long term are very stuck-

I didn't work at republic, but I believe you are incorrect on all fronts except the $37- , could be wrong bc I don't care-

I'm at WN and don't like how all legacies are undercutting us- I want all of you to leapfrog us and then rip us forbour current rates being 'too low'

Again- the point is higher rates were on the table and this pay freeze at the lowest major rates and work rules is very dumb

 

[kf4amu]

But to what end are you arguing? My ENTIRE POINT is that the usapa stand is hamstringing east pilots into maintaining a pay scale that they could have made better 4 YEARS ago.

Are you defending that?

I'm not really arguing anything except that your assumptions based on hearsay. I made a factual point about Republic's FO pay rates and you countered with your "first hand knowledge and experience" about Captain rates that you cannot prove. What a dumb retort.

MY single point was how bad Republic's FO rates are. Everyone can agree with that except you because somehow you equate that to USAir's awful Captain rates. It's all embarrassing and I'm embarrassed that pilots accept these awful wages for career advancement.