US Airways Sues Pilots

[ALGFLYR]

I think we will lose this and if we do does that mean we have to be unsafe or can we still call maintenance when something breaks?

I agree that the company will probably get this. Kind of an intimidation factor there if they do. Will some pilots now feel reluctant to writeup legitimate mx issues in fear of the company coming after them with the threat of termination? Thats even more un-safe now...

 

[ALGFLYR]

Also, maybe if the company gets the injunction, when something is broken, maybe instead of calling MX, we should first call the Chief Pilot to explain what is broke and ask if it's ok to put it in the FDML... "Hey Skip, something is broke, gonna put it in the book, just wanted to let you know beforehand so you will understand it's real and not a slowdown..."

 

[PCL_128]

Every now and then I hear another pilot say stupid things but that isn't a union job action.

If USAPA has knowledge of pilots making a concerted effort to disrupt the operation, and they don't take affirmative action to stop it, then the courts have ruled that the union is engaged in an illegal job action. They don't have to initiate it.

Truth is any of us at any carrier could start writing everything we see up and we would have the FAA on our side since that is how the regs are written. Said airline would then grind to a halt.

Wrong, unfortunately. The FAA won't get involved in what they consider to be "industrial actions" (labor issues). We had pilots discharged from AirTran during contract negotiations over this issue. Some of them were able to get settlements that brought them back after months without pay checks, but one fought it rather than taking a settlement. The FAA wouldn't get involved, the arbitrator ruled against him, and OSHA has sat on the whistle blower complaint for nearly 4 years. You're fighting a losing battle on this one.

 

[waveflyer]

Problem is, USAIR has been playing the safety card for so long, they actually believe it.

 

[St. Nic]

USAPA has nothing to worry about, the company doesn't have anything of substance about the job action. All inuendos. Val will get major $$$$ out of this crap west management team. Oh boy the future will be fun to watch. AMR buys the east op, the west goes to Republic, everyone is happy.

 

[becket]

USAPA has nothing to worry about, the company doesn't have anything of substance about the job action. All inuendos. Val will get major $$$$ out of this crap west management team. Oh boy the future will be fun to watch. AMR buys the east op, the west goes to Republic, everyone is happy.

Your Desperation is EPIC. Your Union is doomed and you'll be paying through the nose for this for years to come. The Nic award is coming at you like a freight train as well. The only thing "Val" is going to get out of this is time off and mandatory re-training on the electrical system she knew precious LITTLE about. Personally, I'd fire her then come after her in court for the damage she caused to my Airplane out of pure ignorance.

All is lost. Either accept that fact or find a new career.

As soon as your fake union is buried, I'll be pissing on their grave.

 

[xanderman]

USAPA has nothing to worry about, the company doesn't have anything of substance about the job action. All inuendos. Val will get major $$$$ out of this crap west management team. Oh boy the future will be fun to watch. AMR buys the east op, the west goes to Republic, everyone is happy.

Actually if you were to read the complaint and all of its supporting documents you'd find the company has mountains of evidence. No ********************! I, frankly, was shocked at how much they have. No innuendo. No fluff. It's cold hard numbers examined from all the angles. They took into account wx and airport construction too! Considering what the company is in possession of I have to say you guys are the dumbest bunch of yahoo's I think I've ever come across. I'd say Cleary's days of impotent rage will continue but he'll just dig you guys a deeper hole. Good luck.

 

[doh]

It would be funny if it was just the east who was affected. But the west is being dragged down with the scum. That is a shame. usapa is a travesty.

 

[charlie2]

The only win the company will get is an injunction. Big deal. There will be no damages to be paid by USAPA. Just like the UAL pilots injunction a few years ago. They are ALPA by the way. How many of you out there usually will wait till your at a mx base before writing up something small? I have done it about three thousand times which violates FAR's. Will the judge abide strictly by the RLA and force "status quo" and order pilots to continue that practice? Just because you did something wrong in the past is not a reason to continue it. I think we should follow the FAR's even if we haven't in the past.

 

[xanderman]

Keep fighting Charlie! Keep fighting. It's gotten you guys so far already...

 

[charlie2]

Keep fighting Charlie! Keep fighting. It's gotten you guys so far already...

Thanks xander! We will.

 

[TWA Dude]

The only win the company will get is an injunction. Big deal. There will be no damages to be paid by USAPA.

Did Lee $eham tell you that or is that your own legal assessment?
It's a two-step process. The injunction will come first, probably within weeks. Second, any hiccup in the operation the company can document (and since you've read the Complaint you know they have outside consultants compiling data) and the fines begin. Not a big deal you think? Probably won't bankrupt USAPA but think about the effect on the contract negotiations. The company can make the fines and injunction go away for the lowly price of giving up your Change-of-Control language. So yes, my head-buried-in-the-sand colleague, an injunction is a very big deal indeed.
But don't take my word for it, just wait and see...

 

[becket]

Thanks xander! We will.

Please. PLEASE DO!!!!

 

[Carl S.]

charlie2 and AGLFLYER, you guys are trying to play the victim card now with mx write ups. You allowed USAPA to push the game to this level and are now worried about writes, true safety issues and fatigue calls. NEVER use safety as a political card, you have painted yourselfs into a corner and now have to second guess all you decisions. Live with LOA 93 forever and the toxic relationship you have with your CP office, you created it.


Mark

p.s.- no bling starting Monday! You can tell the West pilots by the smile on our faces!!!!!

 

[charlie2]

no bling?