US Airways Sues Pilots

[eaglesview]

Oh there is no doubt that USAPA is the cause of the seniority dispute. I hate to say this again but if we dropped our DOH stance yesterday and went with the nic there would be no ratified contract until enough eastinfections retire and are replaced by neutral new hires to balance westies with original but declining in numbers easties. I think that would be around 2016. Remeber the same pilots that voted for USAPA are still on the property because of the age 65 thingy so these same pilots would be voting no on a contract containig the nic. Ironically this will be about the same time that you win DFR2...but we'll appeal.

Bit of a leap of faith calling the new hires neutral. If it stays seperate they upgrade in about 5 years. put it together they upgrade in ????? In fact it's quite conceivable that some of the forloughees from the West that went East will upgrade faster with it seperate.

 

[Bringupthebird]

So letting 5-year "rookies" into the left seat is safe? USAPA speaks with forked tongue!

 

[vetrider]

Cleary already has some third listers mowing his lawn and carrying his water.

 

[TWA Dude]

I hate to say this again but if we dropped our DOH stance yesterday and went with the nic there would be no ratified contract until enough eastinfections retire and are replaced by neutral new hires to balance westies with original but declining in numbers easties.

That's a possibility but I don't share your certainty. Court injunction, loss of LOA 93 arbitration, watching all the other airlines getting new contracts; plenty of Easties will decide they've had enough delay. Guess we just won't know until we try, right?

 

[becket]

Cleary already has some third listers mowing his lawn and carrying his water.

That roll is about to change after Doug Parker personally ass rapes Cleary and liberates him of all wealth.

 

[Bringupthebird]

Why isn't Sully rushing to USAPA's defense on these safety-related issues?

Sull-y? Sull-y? Here boy!...

 

[cactusboy53]

Bit of a leap of faith calling the new hires neutral. If it stays seperate they upgrade in about 5 years. put it together they upgrade in ????? In fact it's quite conceivable that some of the forloughees from the West that went East will upgrade faster with it seperate.

Newhire: "Hi, I'm Bob."

Oldhire: "Hello Bob. I want to school you on what you can look forward to. Even though you are a new hire, you can expect to be a captain here in PHL in 3 years or so, because of all the geezers that are going to retire or die. All you have to do is vote with us at all times to queer ANY contract that has the Nicolau Award."

...."Now this will have a cost. These things always do. You will never make more than $125 an hour. You will be working under the nations crappiest airline contract. You will only get 50% DH, Mechanical, etc., and the company will use our crappy contract to kick you in the nuts on a daily basis."

Newhire: "How long will this last? Won't the AirTran guys be making SWA wages soon?"

Oldhire: "FOREVER, Bob! If you ever FAIL to keep the Nicolau award out, the Westies will leapfrog over ALL of us to get to the A330! About the AirTrany / SWA guys.....Do you think you would really be happy there with the kind of $$, time off and benefits that those guys will make?"

Newhire: "Do we still get the 10% discount at Starbucks?"

Oldhire: "Of course we do! We're entitled! Ah.....I think I'll have a Prune Latte today....I'm feeling a little irregular. Now let me tell you a little bit about what it means to be safe here in PHL....."

 

[charlie2]

Bit of a leap of faith calling the new hires neutral. If it stays seperate they upgrade in about 5 years. put it together they upgrade in ????? In fact it's quite conceivable that some of the forloughees from the West that went East will upgrade faster with it seperate.

I agree but no matter how much we want to I don't think we can stay separate forever.

 

[ackattacker]

Any new hire would vote for a SLI if it came with a significant pay raise. Basic economics.

Make a spreadsheet... a "brand new" SWA FO, even if he never upgrades, will make roughly $400,000 more than a "brand new" US Air F/O who upgrades in 5 years, over the course of 12 years.

 

[charlie2]

Any new hire would vote for a SLI if it came with a significant pay raise. Basic economics.

Make a spreadsheet... a "brand new" SWA FO, even if he never upgrades, will make roughly $400,000 more than a "brand new" US Air F/O who upgrades in 5 years, over the course of 12 years.

Yes but you have to be hired there. I have had many friends who are great guys get turned down. How many pilots will SWA hire in the next ten years? We will hire more than 2 thousand.