US Airways snap-back?

[Crzipilot]

Oh yes, what was I thinking, I forgot the Westies are the innocent victims here......

 

[TWA Dude]

Don't forget it again. But if you do you can be sure we'll remind you as many times as it takes until you get it.

 

[boxjockey]

This is such a sad, sad thread. Professional aviators should not be reduced to such levels. Management are the winners, and the pilots have really missed the boat with the opportunity for improvements. Such a shame.

box

 

[johnnyb]

Lurkers: If you are an east pilot, we can make a change. First you have to help unseat USAPA leadership. After that we can vote in a new leadership and change the constitution & rules. We can immediately divert the MILLIONS spent in litigation, and prepare for the next merger with a merger fund. Being short-sighted in the chase for DOH (that will not likely happen), could really cost you if AA, DAL or UAL jump in the merger pool. Stand-up and get involved.

We are closing in on 4 years now. There is no hoped-for army of lurkers only empty bandwidth to hear your plea. The Nic is not ratifiable.

 

[cactusboy53]

We are closing in on 4 years now. There is no hoped-for army of lurkers only empty bandwidth to hear your plea. The Nic is not ratifiable.

johnnyb;

You're off a "little" on the time. The former US Air was acquired by AWA holdings in May of 2005, so we are actually closing on SIX YEARS.

The Nicolau award was delivered in May of 2007. We were only a handful of sections away from a contract (to vote on), when the US Air ALPA MEC instructed the east ALPA JNC members to WALK AWAY FROM THE TABLE in that same time frame.

USAPA was voted in April 18, 2008. Their promise of a new contract (with a DOH cram down) in SIX MONTHS has yet to come even close to being completed. The USAPA NAC (staffed with three pilots that were furloughed at the time of the merger, and with NO previous negotiating experience) was instructed by USAPA leadership to begin negotiations for a new joint contract FROM SCRATCH (real men of genius). USAPA has achieved one goal: DELAY.

If you are so sure that any contract with the Nicolau Award in not ratifiable, we should see if we can get Doug & Scott to offer the Spirit or Delta wage with the AWA contract (a MUCH BETTER contract than LOA93). I bet it would pass by a slim margin.

Thank you for the response, but I believe that I was addressing "lurkers". It is painfully clear how you, MCDU, St. Nic., Crziplt, surfnfly, et al believe.

 

[Jaffo]

We are closing in on 4 years now. There is no hoped-for army of lurkers only empty bandwidth to hear your plea. The Nic is not ratifiable.

Prove it! If USAPA put out a contract with $185 an hour and the NIC would it get voted down? No one knows for sure, lets find out!

 

[MCDU]

How about 185$ and the DOH list. I think that SLI proposal would pass for sure. Let's find out. I think the other proposal does not sit well with the majority.

M

 

[captfred]

How about 185$ and the DOH list. I think that SLI proposal would pass for sure. Let's find out. I think the other proposal does not sit well with the majority.

M

THe company does not care what "the majority" thinks. They hold a million dollar plus arbitrated seniority list in their hands. They will get sued in a flash if they go along with your little plan and they know it.

Now practice that Cactus callsign and saying the words "Declaratory Judgement".

 

[Carl S.]

USAPA has only done one thing in almost three years, delay the Nic. from being put in place. The latest spin from former CAL pilot Ray that the list fight is over just keeps the former AAA pilots from the truth and in the dark as they were in the arbitration process. Seek the truth, not the spin, it is out there or you are just a clueless leming.

 

[doh]

Carl, I think you mean a hiding gopher.:laugh:

 

[eglguy]

what is the USAPA logic for the LOA 93 dispute?

Look up "entitlement" in the dictionary.

 

[becket]

I think the other proposal does not sit well with the majority.

M

Tough Schitt!! The Eastholes can retire on sub-Mesa wages and work rules for all I care.

 

[St. Nic]

Nic is dead. Dead dead dead! A more practical solution is going to iron out the problems the west had and move this thing forward for betterment of all USAirways pilots.
People can have their opinion, but this internal union dispute is settled with Date of Hire. Next!

 

[Carl S.]

DOH=DFRII. Read it, learn it, live it..... You can not fix stupid.

 

[TWA Dude]

Nic is dead. Dead dead dead!

Right. And the company didn't sue for declaratory judgment fearing another injunction barring Usapa's wet-dream list either.

Keep clicking those heals together repeating your mantra and maybe your dream will come true. But probably not.

 

[altimaklr]

How long til most of the East is retired? Everytime you see them in the airport the pilots look like Old Saint Nick ready to take his final trip to shady acres.

 

[Metrojet]

How long til most of the East is retired? Everytime you see them in the airport the pilots look like Old Saint Nick ready to take his final trip to shady acres.

That comment brought a lot to this thread!

Metrojet

 

[CavePilot]

That comment brought a lot to this thread!

Metrojet

Why the h--l do some of you sign your posts as if there was any confusion over who wrote it.

CavePilot

 

[fastback]

At some point, do enough of the East pilots retire that there are more Westies and this crap finally gets resolved? Because obviously the status quo will not yield a solution.

 

[Bringupthebird]

The only resolution will come when enough west pilots decide to organize a movement to oust USAPA by coming to east bases and showing they have a legitimate plan for dissatisfied east pilots to support. They can't do it by arguing on a handful of message boards to the same handful of keyboard cowboys.

If the west pilots think they can win anything of value in the courts, they are sadly mistaken. Nothing will replace shoe leather and building coalitions with east pilots. It cannot successfully be done at a distance, but it can be done.

USAPA can be replaced, but it will take work, not words.