US Airways pilots will for fly for less than MESA!!!!! AGHHHH!!!!!!!!!!!!

[sniper]

Believe me, the airways guys would rather have their 30 year old big dingy jets back instaed of a jungle special.......however to ever do that and get the flying back they had to cut a deal to be able to assert control over their flying again. If all the majors follow suit to get their flying back, AND this time hold the line on their scope, you will see half the dirtbag regionals dissappear and leave only the good regionals and the majors left standing after the dust settles. Along with better control over wages and QOL for both regional and major.

Sounds like an AirW pilot.............Bravo

 

[WSurf]

I think US Airways pay rates top out at 16 years, you have to be at Mesa for 20 years (ouch) for the 100.00!!!! Who the hell would stay there past 5 years anyway!! And look at the CRJ 900 FO pay rates!!! Ouch!! They top out at 36.00!! US Airways 190 1st year FO is 41.00

Blame JetBlue!! They lowered the Bar on the Airbus and EMB 190!!! Okay, I blamed someone!!! lol

 

[labbats]

It is the right move. Gets the flying back on the property. Once it is back they can work on pay later. Plus 190 pilots can bid to a higher paying airplane once they are senior enough.

In my opinion it is the only way to save the piloting profession. As long as the outsourcing is allowed, the pay and working conditions only get worse.

We can only hope that the rest of the majors follow suit. The 50 seaters are expensive to operate and are not a passenger favorite, so eventually most of the flying should be returned to the parent carrier. This is what the RJ should have been 10 years ago, entry airplane at a major carrier.

And yes, hourly payrate does not mean much when comparing the QOL issues and duty rigs of a Major contract. Only someone that has never flown under a good contract would argue that USAirs pay is less than Mesa's.

Even after being gutted and slashed in the BK process U's contract is much better than the best regional contract I ever flew under.

Perfectly stated.

The contract is one part pay and one part how you get paid. The quality of life is going to be absolutely night and day, as well as the paycheck at the end of the day.

 

[enuffalready]

........ But, eventually, I'll make a lot more cash at the majors and have better trip/duty rigs than at ANY regional.

That all depends... ask the furloughed senior TWA GUYS... or the Pan Am guys..

This industry is a total crap shoot, doesn't matter what you fly or who you work for. Delta 30 years ago was for guys that couldn't get jobs at TWA, Pan AM or Eastern and recently were the highest paid, maybe still even.. Comair and Piedmont were where you went as a regional guy if you wanted to be paid the best, now ask those furloughed or plug guys at either if they wish they had gone to Chittaco and be captain by now. Ask my buddy who left ASA for american, got furloughed and would be making 100k at ASA ( IP) if he had stayed about his pay at mainline. Of you can ask many atlanta guys about that jump to valuejet.. who would all be captains now making 130k +, but instead took that US AIR job.

Did I come to atlanta to work for ASA for life.. of course not. But I have been extremely fortunate and have found a very lucrative career outside of aviation, so to me, this is my final pilot stop.. but who knows... I may out of a job in 2 months here... Its all a crap shoot.

 

[KeroseneSnorter]

That all depends... ask the furloughed senior TWA GUYS... or the Pan Am guys..

This industry is a total crap shoot, doesn't matter what you fly or who you work for. Delta 30 years ago was for guys that couldn't get jobs at TWA, Pan AM or Eastern and recently were the highest paid, maybe still even.. Comair and Piedmont were where you went as a regional guy if you wanted to be paid the best, now ask those furloughed or plug guys at either if they wish they had gone to Chittaco and be captain by now. Ask my buddy who left ASA for american, got furloughed and would be making 100k at ASA ( IP) if he had stayed about his pay at mainline. Of you can ask many atlanta guys about that jump to valuejet.. who would all be captains now making 130k +, but instead took that US AIR job.

Did I come to atlanta to work for ASA for life.. of course not. But I have been extremely fortunate and have found a very lucrative career outside of aviation, so to me, this is my final pilot stop.. but who knows... I may out of a job in 2 months here... Its all a crap shoot.

The jump between U and Airtran is what it is, a guys attempt to fortell the future. However I left the left seat of a regional, only to be furloughed later by a major. I do not look back at that as a mistake.

Sure I would still be left seat at a Regional flying an RJ..........and that is ALL I would ever get to fly, for MAYBE high 5 figures and a lousy schedule after 20 years or so.

As it stands I got some good Boeing time, and that got me a job flying the biggest Boeing ever built. Also I make more in the right seat now on 2nd year pay than I ever did as Capt at a regional. To top it off, It would take 2 months at the regional to get me the same amount of days off that I have in one month now.

No I do not miss the regional days. The RJ would be fun to fly, if when your seniority held something bigger you could bid it, and it involved a decent QOL contract.

Hopefully airways is on it's way to doing that.

 

[enuffalready]

The jump between U and Airtran is what it is, a guys attempt to fortell the future. However I left the left seat of a regional, only to be furloughed later by a major. I do not look back at that as a mistake

I don't disagree. I was just emphasizing that this industry is a total crap shoot. Again referencing, PAN AM, EASTERN, ETC...

AS far as my buddy is concerned. He had a great schedule, free trips on delta, 100k a year flying. Home most nights with family ( IP). He didn't look at his jump to American as a potential mistake either....he does now.

 

[TWA Dude]

That all depends... ask the furloughed senior TWA GUYS... or the Pan Am guys..

Howz that expression go, it's better to have loved and been scorned than to have never loved? I have no regrets whatsoever. Most bad days at a real major are better than good days at a commuter/regional/small jet operator. I can understand the level of comfort that comes with being senior. If I'd stayed at Chautauqua I'd be like number 25 out of 1300 and be based close to home. I'd also be faced with worrying about when the axe is gonna drop and some codeshare is dropped and the party's over. Despite what happened to TWA (and what could happen to AWA/USA) I wouldn't do anything differently.

 

[fareview]

It's kinda like winning the special olympics....even if you win, you're still retarded. :laugh:

Comments like the above are the only reason I continue to check in. Keep 'em coming 180.

fv

 

[~~~^~~~]

How could US Air have those horrible rates?

I thought Duane Woerth P R O M I S E D not to sign any more concessionary, below industry standard, contracts.

 

[JoeMerchant]

How could US Air have those horrible rates?

I thought Duane Woerth P R O M I S E D not to sign any more concessionary, below industry standard, contracts.

My good friend Fins, he only PROMISED not to sign "regional" concessionary contracts. If it protects the favored mainline jobs, then he will run out of ink signing concessionary "mainline" agreements. You and I are being used as pawns in a game between the mainline pilots and management. I'm not interested in participating in this "game". This so called "union" is a joke. It's time for us to take things into our own hands and do what is best for us.....

 

[KeroseneSnorter]

It's time for us to take things into our own hands and do what is best for us.....

Curious if that means leaving the Delta brand and going out on your own?

Unless you do that and take your chances with your own brand name, you will always be controlled in one way or another by the mainline and it's union.

I always seem to see folks talk the way you are about how mainline is stealing "your" routes, or controlling what airplanes you fly, but until you are willing to break out the paint brush and wipe the mainline carriers name and logo off the side of the airplane..................

So far Independence is the only one that had the gonads to really go out on their own.

 

[CFIT]

The E190 will be their smallest plane. They can make more when they go up to the 733, A319, A320, A321, 757, 767, A330 or eventually the A350. DL MD88 FOs make less than super senior Mesa CR9 Captains. So what is your point? Those rates for the E190 at USAir are better than pre-70 hour Jetblue rates.


Bye Bye--General Lee

So what your saying is Delta will do the same?forskinboy

 

[TWA Dude]

How could US Air have those horrible rates? I thought Duane Woerth P R O M I S E D not to sign any more concessionary, below industry standard, contracts.

It's a new contract item hence it's not concessionary. The pay rates are comparable to Jetblue if they're considered the standard.

 

[grog_sit_reserv]

5year Captain rates at the regionals a cross sample:

AWisc: $75 SA $74, Mesa $67, Skywest $63,
CHQ $74, Eagle $70, Comair $64, Mesaba $67
TSA $62 JET friggin BLUE $77 (though not a regional)
DRUM ROLL........
USAirway $86

I can't believe this thread. You're pissed because why? Mainline stole flying back from regionals? Because they took your jets? Because they're only making $10 an hour more flying the same equipment with a better schedule?

Its like Stockholm syndrome. Your minds have been poisoned by your captors (Orenstein, et al). Sorry we couldn't get more for the 190 flying in the Transition Agreement, but give me a break.

Now those will become Mainline planes. Delta, American, NWA (the airline not the rap group), Continental, all have a chance to get those airplanes back on property. Which means mainline jobs, which means NEW HIRE PILOTS, which means a chance for everyone to get out of GCK (or where ever your own personal H3LL is) and actually enjoy flying airplanes again because they can buy dinner when they land.

I just don't get this thread. Trust me, everyone of you, life is WAY better at the majors.

 

[JRMANNED]

Whoever says Mesa is better than anyone (besides Blowme-Jets) is way mental! Mesa sucks!!!

 

[WSurf]

It is plain to see the future of Regional Jet flying! More and More mainline operations are finding out that using contract flying is now not the way to go. The Bar has been lowered so much, that is just better now to keep all the flying in house. I would be a bit worried if I was still at a contract airline in about 5 years or so.

 

[Soulfly]

Unfortunately some of the Mesa guys will never get it.

They believe that pay rates are everything.

After too many years with Mesa, my first reserve line at HP had more days off than the hard line I held at JO's sweatshop (airline). Sad, but true.
I forgot, i don't have to fill out time sheets and still not get paid correctly..Don't miss that.


Peace

 

[xjhawk]

why can't we all get along? oh i forgot, we are complaining greedy pilots! tell me who alpa has in their hearts and minds? I do not beleive it will ever be me or my best interests. What alpa needs to do is learn from a strong union, a strong national union.

1. industry wide pay rates or pay minimums for seats on an aircraft. That takes away using pay cuts as an option for a moreefficient and savings on the bottom line (and using our pay cuts to pay for executive bonuses)
2. any 401K or retirement account should be managed by the union, that way when you change jobs, you bring it with you. It also keeps the companies from dipping their fingers into the money.
3. if any pilot group refuses these terms to stablize the industry, they are banned from ALPA and therefore banned from going to an ALPA carrier. So if you are in Go jets and not ALPA, those rates still must be applied to qualify as a pilot for moviing to a ALPA carrier. If your carrier does not comply, then you must quit to be able to go to ALPA in the future. If an ALPA carrier does not comply, they are kicked out of ALPA. That is strenght in unity, lets learn from real unions! if you are an ALPA officer, think about this, think hard, you are our reps, and something needs to be done!

 

[Soverytired]

2. any 401K or retirement account should be managed by the union, that way when you change jobs, you bring it with you. It also keeps the companies from dipping their fingers into the money.

Uh . . . you have heard of a 401(k) rollover into a self-directed IRA, right?

That's what any you can do with ANY 401(k) plan at ANY company in America when you switch jobs. Or cash it out at at HUGE tax penalty.

As to the "dipping" . . .I trust my union only slightly more than my management. You do know the head of ALPA pulled down over $400k in salary, and another $150k in "other" last year, right? Plus tons and tons of hangar's on who took a crapload too.

 

[Mike man]

I love it..."It's not the contract it is the [WHAT EVER] that makes the best thing around"

Everyone on here, me included, are #&*@ing stupid. Listen (well read) to what we say constantly...stupid. GROW THE #$&@ UP!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

 

[BenderGonzales]

"I trust my union only slightly more than my management"

I love it. Smartest thing ever posted on this website.

To quote Rex Kramer, "The FAA, Airport management, and the airlines (and ALPA) ... they're all cheats and liars!"

 

[AutoBus]

Top pay for erj 190 will be $95 at us airways
Top pay for a crj200 at air willy is $91
Top pay for BAE146 at air willy is $113
Top pay for erj 170 at rep/shut amer is $99
Top pay for erj 190 at rep/shut amer is $109-if they ever get the airplane
The best part is Mesa flying the crj900 top pay is $100
So now Us Airways pilots will fly for less than MESA!!!!!!!!!!

Maybe instead of blaming all the regionals we can now look at what the legacy carriers are dong to this industry. This new pay rate just goes to show it isn't just the regionals, but every pilot is willing to fly a shiny new jet for less than someone else.

The sub contracted lift providers (not to be confused with an airline) started this, mainline is going to finish it.

All jet flying belongs at mainline, period. That is 70 seats and larger, the 50 seaters (and smaller) need to be based at the MHV hub, that's the only place they make ecomonic sense.

 

[SkyBoy1981]

Well woopty doo, a 20 year crusty old Mesa CRJ900 Captain can make more than a E190 Captain at Airways. Can he also bid over to the A330 at Mesa and fly international routes for $160 an hour?

 

[AutoBus]

Well woopty doo, a 20 year crusty old Mesa CRJ900 Captain can make more than a E190 Captain at Airways. Can he also bid over to the A330 at Mesa and fly international routes for $160 an hour?

No he can't, Also MESA is a house of cards built on shaky ground. They have been lucky in that they contine to find homes for displaced 50 seaters, they kind of churn thru the system. PHX, first then PIT, PHL, CLT now those are gone to ATL, IAD etc... When one airline figures out you can make money with them, they move to another one that has not learned that lesson yet, someday the madness will stop and MESA will be lef holding the cards, why do you suppose they are trying Hawaii?

 

[Regul8r]

Nice Try

Maybe instead of blaming all the regionals we can now look at what the legacy carriers are dong to this industry. This new pay rate just goes to show it isn't just the regionals, but every pilot is willing to fly a shiny new jet for less than someone else.

I seriously hope you're being sarcastic.

 

[Jetjockey21]

Quit b#tching about mainline taking your flying. It was there's in the first place they are just trying to turn this profession back in the the right direction. Something that Mesa certainly isn't doing. I hate Mesa scum. Keep blowin JO, don't forget to swallow.

 

[BlackPilot628]

I live in CLT and do most of my commuting on the "U". Nice guys always and I'm glad they're going to be flying the E190's. I think most of us at CHQ feel the same way. Being in CLT I've had the chance to ride on Mesa CRJ9's quite a few times now. While waiting to get a ride on the CRJ9 last week I heard a group of Windbreaker guys and they're FA's worried about loosing the CRJ9 flying to Mainline's E190 flying. I politely said one statement to them, " That is where the flying belongs." and walked away. I'm sure I got the finger as I walked away. Some people just don't get it.

With this positive progression for Us Airways, I can only hope the scope is tightened up and all flying over 70 seats stays at mainline. No questions asked. Anything above 50 seats would be good, but I think it's to late for that.

 

[jumppilot]

It just pisses me off that mainline is lowering the bar again.

 

[TWA Dude]

It just pisses me off that mainline is lowering the bar again.

Time to channel that anger in a more constructive direction. Right now the industry is the windscreen and we're the bug.

 

[Fltlvls]

Can someone tell me who allowed the regionals to fly RJs' to begin with? Mainline carriers maybe?