US Airways pilots will for fly for less than MESA!!!!! AGHHHH!!!!!!!!!!!!

[ReportCanoa]

Exactly. Besides, where would you rather work? Let see, a whole career at Mesa, or any other regional for that matter, or a whole career as a 190 CA at Airways. If you chose the regional, you chose wrong

Opinion.

 

[trainer8]

Top pay for erj 170 at rep/shut amer is $99
Top pay for erj 190 at rep/shut amer is $109-if they ever get the airplane
The best part is Mesa flying the crj900 top pay is $100
So now Us Airways pilots will fly for less than MESA!!!!!!!!!!

Maybe instead of blaming all the regionals we can now look at what the legacy carriers are dong to this industry. This new pay rate just goes to show it isn't just the regionals, but every pilot is willing to fly a shiny new jet for less than someone else.

Your numbers are skewed. Top pay on the E170 and E190 at RPA/SA is $108.47 and $119.32 respectively, and those numbers reflect the 10/07 ammendable date at max years. Top pay on the E190 at AAA is $102.56 reflective of the 10/15 date and 12 years.

T8

 

[grog_sit_reserv]

what are you talking about?

Some us factor in more than 15 vs 50 vs 70 vs vs 150 vs 250 seats behind us when making career and life choices...

Oh wait, I remember.. regional bad.. mainline good....i got it now.

Opinion? Yes. I remember when the goal was to always go thru the regionals to get to the majors. If you're happy at your regional, then by all means stay. The industry has changed and Mainline ain't what it used to be. But, eventually, I'll make a lot more cash at the majors and have better trip/duty rigs than at ANY regional.

 

[KeroseneSnorter]

Opinion.

True.

However, I thought that I had a good QOL at a regional......Until I got a seat at a major. Even sitting bottom reserve on a majors Contract and duty rigs beat being a line holding Captain at the regional.

However, that is my opinion.!

 

[MESAhater]

Us Airways pilots will fly big shiny new jets for regional wages just to make sure regional pilots don't fly the airplanes? Us Airways will work on better pay rates during next contract negotiations? OK this sounds like all the things everyone complains about the regionals and ecspecially Mesa. Under cut everyone and we will get the big new shiny jet and later we will stand up for ourselves and make more money. Remember those red stickers on all the Mesa pilot crew bags "Enough is Enough?" I guess the Us Airways guys don't think so because they are allowing themselves to get paid less than they should.

Come on guys see this for what it is. The Airways guys wanted to fly big new shiny jets for less than Mesa, CHQ, Rep, Shtl America would have.

By the way-doesn't the Amer west ( us air-west) have a scope clause saying the 190 can only be flown by mainline pilots? If true then the us airways pilots didn't have anyone to underbid but themselves!

 

[KeroseneSnorter]

Us Airways pilots will fly big shiny new jets for regional wages just to make sure regional pilots don't fly the airplanes? Us Airways will work on better pay rates during next contract negotiations? OK this sounds like all the things everyone complains about the regionals and ecspecially Mesa. Under cut everyone and we will get the big new shiny jet and later we will stand up for ourselves and make more money. Remember those red stickers on all the Mesa pilot crew bags "Enough is Enough?" I guess the Us Airways guys don't think so because they are allowing themselves to get paid less than they should.

Come on guys see this for what it is. The Airways guys wanted to fly big new shiny jets for less than Mesa, CHQ, Rep, Shtl America would have.

By the way-doesn't the Amer west ( us air-west) have a scope clause saying the 190 can only be flown by mainline pilots? If true then the us airways pilots didn't have anyone to underbid but themselves!

Believe me, the airways guys would rather have their 30 year old big dingy jets back instaed of a jungle special.......however to ever do that and get the flying back they had to cut a deal to be able to assert control over their flying again. If all the majors follow suit to get their flying back, AND this time hold the line on their scope, you will see half the dirtbag regionals dissappear and leave only the good regionals and the majors left standing after the dust settles. Along with better control over wages and QOL for both regional and major.

 

[grog_sit_reserv]

I can always bid into bigger and better equipment later and get a nice raise ta boot. In fact, its better they be the lowest paid jet at a major vs the highest paid jet at a regional. And before you start cracking about USAir rates bringing down the bar, take a look at Jet Blue's 190 rates. Yuck.

 

[grog_sit_reserv]

kerosene snorter is absolutely right!

 

[BenderGonzales]

"Believe me, the airways guys would rather have their 30 year old big dingy jets back"

I agree 100%. This isn't "shiny-jet-syndrome". This is a last-ditch attempt to hold on to some flying for a change!

Less than 10 years ago the biggest "regional" around had 37 seats. All of the sudden DC9s and F100s are gone, and airplanes are showing up at the regionals with 70,90+ seats?

If I was still a 737 pilot i'd be nervous! Bout' time they refused to allow any more outsourcing. Bring back the DC9's. Get new E190s. Doesn't matter. As long as mainline pilots are flying them.

 

[KeroseneSnorter]

As another side note.

USAirways and America West Combined is still SMALLER than USAir was in 2001 by it's self. (By about 1000 pilots and 100 airplanes give or take)

However USAirs flying has not decreased.......at least the flying done in USAir colors anyhow. The flying didn't dissappear, it was simply transferred to the regionals. USAirway guys have finally found a way to take some of it back.

Much better to be flying an RJ on a sen list that includes 767's and A330's...than one that just includes...well......you get the idea.

 

[sniper]

Believe me, the airways guys would rather have their 30 year old big dingy jets back instaed of a jungle special.......however to ever do that and get the flying back they had to cut a deal to be able to assert control over their flying again. If all the majors follow suit to get their flying back, AND this time hold the line on their scope, you will see half the dirtbag regionals dissappear and leave only the good regionals and the majors left standing after the dust settles. Along with better control over wages and QOL for both regional and major.

Sounds like an AirW pilot.............Bravo

 

[WSurf]

I think US Airways pay rates top out at 16 years, you have to be at Mesa for 20 years (ouch) for the 100.00!!!! Who the hell would stay there past 5 years anyway!! And look at the CRJ 900 FO pay rates!!! Ouch!! They top out at 36.00!! US Airways 190 1st year FO is 41.00

Blame JetBlue!! They lowered the Bar on the Airbus and EMB 190!!! Okay, I blamed someone!!! lol

 

[labbats]

It is the right move. Gets the flying back on the property. Once it is back they can work on pay later. Plus 190 pilots can bid to a higher paying airplane once they are senior enough.

In my opinion it is the only way to save the piloting profession. As long as the outsourcing is allowed, the pay and working conditions only get worse.

We can only hope that the rest of the majors follow suit. The 50 seaters are expensive to operate and are not a passenger favorite, so eventually most of the flying should be returned to the parent carrier. This is what the RJ should have been 10 years ago, entry airplane at a major carrier.

And yes, hourly payrate does not mean much when comparing the QOL issues and duty rigs of a Major contract. Only someone that has never flown under a good contract would argue that USAirs pay is less than Mesa's.

Even after being gutted and slashed in the BK process U's contract is much better than the best regional contract I ever flew under.

Perfectly stated.

The contract is one part pay and one part how you get paid. The quality of life is going to be absolutely night and day, as well as the paycheck at the end of the day.

 

[enuffalready]

........ But, eventually, I'll make a lot more cash at the majors and have better trip/duty rigs than at ANY regional.

That all depends... ask the furloughed senior TWA GUYS... or the Pan Am guys..

This industry is a total crap shoot, doesn't matter what you fly or who you work for. Delta 30 years ago was for guys that couldn't get jobs at TWA, Pan AM or Eastern and recently were the highest paid, maybe still even.. Comair and Piedmont were where you went as a regional guy if you wanted to be paid the best, now ask those furloughed or plug guys at either if they wish they had gone to Chittaco and be captain by now. Ask my buddy who left ASA for american, got furloughed and would be making 100k at ASA ( IP) if he had stayed about his pay at mainline. Of you can ask many atlanta guys about that jump to valuejet.. who would all be captains now making 130k +, but instead took that US AIR job.

Did I come to atlanta to work for ASA for life.. of course not. But I have been extremely fortunate and have found a very lucrative career outside of aviation, so to me, this is my final pilot stop.. but who knows... I may out of a job in 2 months here... Its all a crap shoot.

 

[KeroseneSnorter]

That all depends... ask the furloughed senior TWA GUYS... or the Pan Am guys..

This industry is a total crap shoot, doesn't matter what you fly or who you work for. Delta 30 years ago was for guys that couldn't get jobs at TWA, Pan AM or Eastern and recently were the highest paid, maybe still even.. Comair and Piedmont were where you went as a regional guy if you wanted to be paid the best, now ask those furloughed or plug guys at either if they wish they had gone to Chittaco and be captain by now. Ask my buddy who left ASA for american, got furloughed and would be making 100k at ASA ( IP) if he had stayed about his pay at mainline. Of you can ask many atlanta guys about that jump to valuejet.. who would all be captains now making 130k +, but instead took that US AIR job.

Did I come to atlanta to work for ASA for life.. of course not. But I have been extremely fortunate and have found a very lucrative career outside of aviation, so to me, this is my final pilot stop.. but who knows... I may out of a job in 2 months here... Its all a crap shoot.

The jump between U and Airtran is what it is, a guys attempt to fortell the future. However I left the left seat of a regional, only to be furloughed later by a major. I do not look back at that as a mistake.

Sure I would still be left seat at a Regional flying an RJ..........and that is ALL I would ever get to fly, for MAYBE high 5 figures and a lousy schedule after 20 years or so.

As it stands I got some good Boeing time, and that got me a job flying the biggest Boeing ever built. Also I make more in the right seat now on 2nd year pay than I ever did as Capt at a regional. To top it off, It would take 2 months at the regional to get me the same amount of days off that I have in one month now.

No I do not miss the regional days. The RJ would be fun to fly, if when your seniority held something bigger you could bid it, and it involved a decent QOL contract.

Hopefully airways is on it's way to doing that.

 

[enuffalready]

The jump between U and Airtran is what it is, a guys attempt to fortell the future. However I left the left seat of a regional, only to be furloughed later by a major. I do not look back at that as a mistake

I don't disagree. I was just emphasizing that this industry is a total crap shoot. Again referencing, PAN AM, EASTERN, ETC...

AS far as my buddy is concerned. He had a great schedule, free trips on delta, 100k a year flying. Home most nights with family ( IP). He didn't look at his jump to American as a potential mistake either....he does now.

 

[TWA Dude]

That all depends... ask the furloughed senior TWA GUYS... or the Pan Am guys..

Howz that expression go, it's better to have loved and been scorned than to have never loved? I have no regrets whatsoever. Most bad days at a real major are better than good days at a commuter/regional/small jet operator. I can understand the level of comfort that comes with being senior. If I'd stayed at Chautauqua I'd be like number 25 out of 1300 and be based close to home. I'd also be faced with worrying about when the axe is gonna drop and some codeshare is dropped and the party's over. Despite what happened to TWA (and what could happen to AWA/USA) I wouldn't do anything differently.

 

[fareview]

It's kinda like winning the special olympics....even if you win, you're still retarded. :laugh:

Comments like the above are the only reason I continue to check in. Keep 'em coming 180.

fv

 

[~~~^~~~]

How could US Air have those horrible rates?

I thought Duane Woerth P R O M I S E D not to sign any more concessionary, below industry standard, contracts.

 

[JoeMerchant]

How could US Air have those horrible rates?

I thought Duane Woerth P R O M I S E D not to sign any more concessionary, below industry standard, contracts.

My good friend Fins, he only PROMISED not to sign "regional" concessionary contracts. If it protects the favored mainline jobs, then he will run out of ink signing concessionary "mainline" agreements. You and I are being used as pawns in a game between the mainline pilots and management. I'm not interested in participating in this "game". This so called "union" is a joke. It's time for us to take things into our own hands and do what is best for us.....