US Airways Pilot/FA Recall

[Crzipilot]

well there may remain vacancies for some time I guess. Well maybe not forever. Buddy is on EVLA, got his final letter beginning of Dec, but is under contract till April (I think) or maybe later. I'm sure there are a few out there that may have longer contracts etc, which I think the company has to honor, I doubt they want to pay the penalties for terming some of those contracts?

 

[Question4U]

Straight from the union -- the Group 2 positions that were left open are for the returning Leaves of Absence. The company had 2 choices -- 1.) run the bid the way they did and leave a variety of Group 2 positions open in anticipation of those guys coming back or 2.) hold off on the bid until those guys were back. The company needed other positions filled. So they opted for choice #1. Any positions that aren't filled by returning LOA's will be filled on the next bid.

At least on this bid, the seat lock does not apply. Could it change on the next bid, of course. But SO FAR, no seat lock... It just happens that the rest of us aren't senior enough to hold group 2, yet...

It doesn't make sense for the company to lift the seat lock, they will just have a continous cycle of training on the 190. Nobody will stay on that thing with those crappy pay rates (not that group 2 is much better.) They need to either enforce the seat lock or get rid of it all together.

 

[miaboeingcapt]

It doesn't make sense for the company to lift the seat lock, they will just have a continous cycle of training on the 190. Nobody will stay on that thing with those crappy pay rates (not that group 2 is much better.) They need to either enforce the seat lock or get rid of it all together.

Over 30+ did not bid off of the 190 in this last bid. The company has already stated that they are planning on a continuous training flow through this aircraft. In the long run it saves the company money by not placing junior guys on Group 2 aircraft ahead of senior guys that are frozen on the 190. It causes a double training cycle when the senior pilot is released off of their freeze.

 

[Question4U]

Over 30+ did not bid off of the 190 in this last bid. The company has already stated that they are planning on a continuous training flow through this aircraft. In the long run it saves the company money by not placing junior guys on Group 2 aircraft ahead of senior guys that are frozen on the 190. It causes a double training cycle when the senior pilot is released off of their freeze.

Either way you have a double training event though. The Jr. guy goes to a group 2 intially and then the 190 guy goes through 190 training and then group 2 training. I am just suprised the company wants to have a continous flow of training on the 190 with no production out of the pilot at least for 12 months. I am just trying to figure out how this benefits the company, I know they are not realeasing guys from the seat lock because it is the right thing to do. It is all about the $

 

[Tweaker]

It all makes no sense because it makes no sense to possess only 15 airframes when they are so tiny. 15 A 380's? That is good business. 15 thingies that have 9 more seats than Messa (sucks) Large Small Venti jets? That seems dumb.

This no a/c freeze is a good thing (a windfall?) in any event. Did ya'll notice that the top 3 E190 F/Os could hold E190 Captain? Ineresting.

How do they expect to have Lines/R RSV and such when 50% of those on the E190 roster are in some phase of training? Me thinks there are going to be well short of 45 lines or there will be no RSV pilots at all!

 

[psw757]

It doesn't make sense for the company to lift the seat lock, they will just have a continous cycle of training on the 190. Nobody will stay on that thing with those crappy pay rates (not that group 2 is much better.) They need to either enforce the seat lock or get rid of it all together.

Any of those guys that live in the PHL area may stay on it due to the fact that they are line holders getting 14-17 days off and 80-95 hours of pay. if they bid any group 2 aircraft, welcome to only 11 days off a month and on reserve for a long long time!

 

[psw757]

It all makes no sense because it makes no sense to possess only 15 airframes when they are so tiny. 15 A 380's? That is good business. 15 thingies that have 9 more seats than Messa (sucks) Large Small Venti jets? That seems dumb.

This no a/c freeze is a good thing (a windfall?) in any event. Did ya'll notice that the top 3 E190 F/Os could hold E190 Captain? Ineresting.

How do they expect to have Lines/R RSV and such when 50% of those on the E190 roster are in some phase of training? Me thinks there are going to be well short of 45 lines or there will be no RSV pilots at all!

I think november had 45 primary lines and 20 secondary lines. not 100% sure though.

 

[Tweaker]

Any of those guys that live in the PHL area may stay on it due to the fact that they are line holders getting 14-17 days off and 80-95 hours of pay. if they bid any group 2 aircraft, welcome to only 11 days off a month and on reserve for a long long time!

Yup, and there are 30 of them.

 

[dugan jones]

It doesn't make sense for the company to lift the seat lock, they will just have a continous cycle of training on the 190. Nobody will stay on that thing with those crappy pay rates (not that group 2 is much better.) They need to either enforce the seat lock or get rid of it all together.

they lifted the seat lock for the 4 top guys in the sep 6th recall class

 

[Question4U]

they lifted the seat lock for the 4 top guys in the sep 6th recall class

The question is when will they stop allowing pilots out of the seat lock? How can you make a decision when the rules constantly change?