US Airways May 12th class

[cactusboy53]

If any new hires are looking for a crash pad, check out the ad in the Crashpad column. Welcome aboard!

 

[LearLove]

According to the former ALPA, now USAPA man who gave a presentation to our class, 700 of the 1800 returned.

yes he (DC) is correct but I'm not sure if it takes into account thoes that showed for class then resigned during class to get their cash.

I THINK the 700 is the number that showed for class, but the actual number that stayed is less than the 700.

Also off-the-street new hires are only around 100 in number. The most junior CEL guy or lest senior furlough is/was number 3552 (+/- 1 or 2) and on the July bid 3622 was the most junior guy (phl e190). 3622-3534 = 70 new hires. That 70 doesn't include the 14 or so that started indoc in PHX on 4/14. There is another small class (say 5 guys - last returning j4j) on 5/4 and (from what I hear) the last class on 5/12 which I guessing will be 15 guys (pdt/psa pref. guys and other airlines).

So 70+5+14+15= 104 newhires inclass since interviewing started. This doesn't include the newhires that went to the west - I only have number for east. Acually taking that into account the 4/14 PHX class had about 7 go west so lower that 104 by 7 for 97 on the east side "off-the -street".

alot less than the 400 orginally stated

As for the aircraft and pilot numbers (east side only and using the July bid numbers)

The bid said there are 2800 flying positions. Like I said before 3622 was the highest number I saw (phl e190 fo) So 3622-2800=822 guy on leave/med or instructors I guess.

My best guess on the east fleet is 220 (boeing/ab) and 15 E190's. (remember the 190's don't count twards the 220 min fleet) So 235 total aircraft.

2800/235=11.91 pilot/aircraft. I was told that there are about 250 instructors across the fleet so taking thoes from the 822 inactive and adding them to the 2800 is 3050. 3050/235=12.97 pilot/aircraft which seems about right from what i'm told.

the number are my "educated" estimate using the data i have available. The 220 number is our min fleet from LOA #499049494390349043E to the 99th power. Again the 190's don't count so by year end with 220 ab and boeing and 25 e190's that is 245 east aircraft. at 13 pilots per aircraft 13 times 245 is 3185 pilots. #3622 total so in the list for july. they say that at a major at any given time 10% of the list is on med or loa so 10% of 3622 = 362. 3622-362 = 3260. 3260-3185 = 75

 

[AutoBus]

After 9-11, US Airways furloughed the highest percentage of pilots than any other legacy airline. They furloughed 1800 pilots off a list of 5100, or 36%, so don't under estimate what is possible. It went on for years, and came in several furlough/downsizing cycles. FWIW...

Correct, and they were a basket case on the verge of shutting down. Hence, my spiralling out of control statement. Had a rescue not occured 100% would have been gone.

 

[BeCareful!]

Correct, and they were a basket case on the verge of shutting down. Hence, my spiralling out of control statement. Had a rescue not occured 100% would have been gone.

Oh, is that what would have happened? Thanks. I've been wondering if someone on the Internet could clear this mystery up for all of us since, you know, U's been going out of business for 20 years or more. Finally, someone willing to come forward with a "statement of fact" on the topic!

 

[MCDU]

Yeah, and ATA and ALOHA were great airlines and no one predicted their sudden demise. Now puff! Gone.

The only way you get extreme cost cuts is by spreading fear of shutting down. The contract would have been voted down if the pilots were not concerned. You never hear fear tactics if they are really in trouble. Fear is a tool management uses to get as much money out of a company. The plan is to get rich by spreading fear and then cashing in knowing how dumb and selfish pilots are.
USair was not going anywhere. To bad the pilots agreed to LOA 93. From BK to being the most profitabe airline next to SWA in just 2 years. Give me a break.

 

[Deadalus]

Yeah, and ATA and ALOHA were great airlines and no one predicted their sudden demise. Now puff! Gone.

The only way you get extreme cost cuts is by spreading fear of shutting down. The contract would have been voted down if the pilots were not concerned. You never hear fear tactics if they are really in trouble. Fear is a tool management uses to get as much money out of a company. The plan is to get rich by spreading fear and then cashing in knowing how dumb and selfish pilots are.
USair was not going anywhere. To bad the pilots agreed to LOA 93. From BK to being the most profitabe airline next to SWA in just 2 years. Give me a break.

I my gosh you guys are delusional. You didn't even have enough money left to make the payroll. We payed your salaries by buying a f$#%ing aircraft the month leading into the merger. Holy cripes, no wonder you guys were so out of touch with the integration. Get a clue.

 

[Captzaahlie]

_____It is what it is. _____

You must have had the same instructor for g/s that I had.... notice how they all use that line? The only fire power we really needed at the cookout was the charcoal! Have you learned your hollers yet?
You are going to miss out on a fantastic sim instructor here in PHX. DM is teaching us some very amazing stuff!

 

[flyNICKair]

Hey Nick were you a capt at ALG in the late 90s?

No, started @ PDT in 98

 

[flyNICKair]

Any rumors on bases/aircraft to be offered?

Rumors are, no more West for the rest of the year.

 

[waveflyer]

Yeah, and ATA and ALOHA were great airlines and no one predicted their sudden demise. Now puff! Gone.

The only way you get extreme cost cuts is by spreading fear of shutting down. The contract would have been voted down if the pilots were not concerned. You never hear fear tactics if they are really in trouble. Fear is a tool management uses to get as much money out of a company. The plan is to get rich by spreading fear and then cashing in knowing how dumb and selfish pilots are.
USair was not going anywhere. To bad the pilots agreed to LOA 93. From BK to being the most profitabe airline next to SWA in just 2 years. Give me a break.

Yeah- but doesn't it really hurt the industry to be flying under this bk loa? Yes - it really does. So since you (meaning 51% of AAA pilots) signed off on this to protect your seniority- then got your airline cut in half and the rest jacked in the Nic award i think is a union's form of justice.... Maybe you should think twice before whoring yourself out to "save" your seniority.

You all would have much more credibility if you used your experience to lobby for change to our archaeic seniority system. In the meantime- since you've condoned the status quo- you get to live w/ it. I like many of you- but don't feel a bit sorry for any of you.

 

[Dr. Rumack]

Oh, is that what would have happened? Thanks. I've been wondering if someone on the Internet could clear this mystery up for all of us since, you know, U's been going out of business for 20 years or more. Finally, someone willing to come forward with a "statement of fact" on the topic!

I guess you did not listen to the conference call as that may have helped you 'clear the mystery'. The CEO was pretty descriptive as to the situation out east before the merge. I believe he said either 'days from' or 'on the brink of liquidation' but I do not want to misquote; please go back and listen for yourself.

 

[Carl S.]

Being on the "Brink of liquidation" in BK II with under 20 spectacular widebodies and the bottom pilot with 18 years LOS was viewed as better career expectations than a solvent company with a posssible future cash short fall projected by the USCABIANS! Sort of like your house in a 4 alarm fire and a book of matches on the table in the other house. East pilots are so out of finanical touch it's so funny.

 

[Colonel Savage]

The CEO was pretty descriptive as to the situation out east before the merge. I believe he said either 'days from' or 'on the brink of liquidation'...

So why buy a company that was in that kind of shape? It makes no sense business wise.

"Captain, that would be highly illogical.", I believe is the expression.

 

[j32wreck]

cheaper to buy the turd than get into bidding for dingleberries. AWA was looking to expand and this was the cheapest way.

 

[AutoBus]

So why buy a company that was in that kind of shape? It makes no sense business wise.

"Captain, that would be highly illogical.", I believe is the expression.

It make a lot of sense, for the same reason you would go to a foreclosure auction, you might get something cheap.

 

[Colonel Savage]

...AWA was looking to expand and this was the cheapest way.

Well, I guess the cheapest way can bring with it its own problems.

Now UAL is trying to rush into the same thing.

 

[weasel_lips]

Does anyone post here except westies that want to bitch?

I would like to see an opposing point of view some time, some healthy debate.

Instead it is 99.9% westies acting like their life is not worth living.

 

[Dr. Rumack]

Does anyone post here except westies that want to bitch?

I would like to see an opposing point of view some time, some healthy debate.

Instead it is 99.9% westies acting like their life is not worth living.

Weasel. Please read my past posts if you have nothing else to do or take me at my word here. I am a Westie and almost never bitch. My life is very worth living. I know other posters in this forum who are also very positive people and rarely bitch. That being the case, if someone was trying to shove a turd sandwich down your piehole you would probably try to talk them out of it. Your argument may not seem rational to someone who would willingly shove a turd sandwich down your throat, but you would make it anyway. Complaining about the turd sandwich would certainly sound like whining to the person who is feeding you and he/she would probably criticize you for doing so. See you in Chicago!

 

[Ocity]

Does anyone post here except westies that want to bitch?

I would like to see an opposing point of view some time, some healthy debate.

Instead it is 99.9% westies acting like their life is not worth living.

The old folks out East haven't yet figured out the information super-highway. They're still waiting for their empire seniority number from 28 years ago.

 

[vetrider]

The old folks out East haven't yet figured out the information super-highway. They're still waiting for their empire seniority number from 28 years ago.

Apparantly date of hire for a Navaho is different than date of hire for a Bac. They need to work on clarification, once that happens they will then need to send the clarification out for membership ratification. After they get management to agree with it, that is.

Well actually, that might need to wait. First they have to help quickdraw McGraw and the guys who got stuck in the mud.

With limited resources, prioritization is key.

 

[vetrider]

Come to think of it, all that stuff will have to wait. Bradford is in Tempe tonight in between trips to lay down the law to Doug Parker during the next two days. Stand by.

 

[get2flyin]

cheaper to buy the turd than get into bidding for dingleberries. AWA was looking to expand and this was the cheapest way.

I think the sole purpose of this move was to keep SWA from taking over PHL, strangling the NE corridor, then marching Westward. Plus investors were lining up to throw money into the pot. It's hard to pass up fire-sale pricing.

 

[get2flyin]

Come to think of it, all that stuff will have to wait. Bradford is in Tempe tonight in between trips to lay down the law to Doug Parker during the next two days. Stand by.

Lay down the law? If history serves, he will agree to binding negotiation, threaten to sue, and then give up everything to the company. The French, cheese eating, surrender monkeys put up a bigger fight during WWII than the old US Airways put up when they agreed to multiple rounds of give-backs to protect their precious pension...which they lost anyway.

Yeah, everybody stand by. :laugh:

 

[vetrider]

Lay down the law? If history serves, he will agree to binding negotiation, threaten to sue, and then give up everything to the company. The French, cheese eating, surrender monkeys put up a bigger fight during WWII than the old US Airways put up when they agreed to multiple rounds of give-backs to protect their precious pension...which they lost anyway.

Yeah, everybody stand by. :laugh:

I was being sarcastic. I suppose I should use some of those icons at the bottom. Bradford can't even figure out his hairline.

 

[Ocity]

Come to think of it, all that stuff will have to wait. Bradford is in Tempe tonight in between trips to lay down the law to Doug Parker during the next two days. Stand by.

http://www.twinpalmshotel.com/

I hope his rest isn't interrupted...he has a big day of begging parker tomorrow. I hope he brought some solid USAPA knee pads. He's promised the world and flushed the union of over 5k pilots to get a chance at his 'do over' dream list.

That's some real solid bargaining position to be in. I'm sure Doug won't see thru it.

 

[get2flyin]

I was being sarcastic. I suppose I should use some of those icons at the bottom. Bradford can't even figure out his hairline.

My sarcasm detector wasn't properly functioning after 2 overnights in CLT in a row. My apologies if it sounded like I was being overly defensive. I suspect we are both on the same page.

 

[vetrider]

My sarcasm detector wasn't properly functioning after 2 overnights in CLT in a row. My apologies if it sounded like I was being overly defensive. I suspect we are both on the same page.

No need to apologize for anything, I thought nothing of it. Sometimes with just printed words its hard to tell.

 

[b737boss]

Lay down the law? If history serves, he will agree to binding negotiation, threaten to sue, and then give up everything to the company. The French, cheese eating, surrender monkeys put up a bigger fight during WWII than the old US Airways put up when they agreed to multiple rounds of give-backs to protect their precious pension...which they lost anyway.

Yeah, everybody stand by. :laugh:

Now that's funny, I don't care who you are!!

 

[CaptBud330]

Taxi time

I've been retired for a few years now but I would be absolutely certain the guys I flew with on the 330 had more taxi time the most of the Westies have total time.

 

[Dr. Rumack]

I've been retired for a few years now but I would be absolutely certain the guys I flew with on the 330 had more taxi time the most of the Westies have total time.

Captain Bud,

When you, Wilbur, and Orville were in class together did you establish seniority by total hours or by age? In this century they do it by age as they figure that the hours a pilot brought to the table qualified them for their job and, thus, a position on the seniority list. Beyond that point I really do not think logbooks matter a whole heck of a lot.