US Airways Management and America West Pilots to Open Separate Negotiations

[Flybywire44]

So a minority is calling the majority scabs? How much longer has East paid ALPA union dues than West?

There is a lot of propaganda in this forum.

 

[Tejas-Jet]

So a minority is calling the majority scabs? How much longer has East paid ALPA union dues than West?

There is a lot of propaganda in this forum.

...and-d-d-d-d...didn't the original AWA get started with scabs?

Didn't the management at AWA actually encourage some AWA pilots to scab at Ansett?

don't they still have those scabs on the seniority list?

In addition, while the "Dump ALPA" campaign was going on at AWA a few years ago, didn't they bring in a CAL scab to tell them to stay with ALPA? And they decided to listen to the CAL scab.

 

[PCL_128]

....when the America West pilots were threatening to leave ALPA....Duane Woerth brought a scab with him to PHX to try and talk the America West pilots out of leaving ALPA.....There is so much irony here...where to begin......

Captain Woerth didn't bring some random SCAB, he brought the CAL MEC Chairman. It was the CAL pilots and their MEC that made the mistake of electing a SCAB to that office, not Duane. He brought the CAL Master-Chairman to talk to them because the IACP had recently merged back into ALPA for the precise reason that their independent union was completely ineffective compared to ALPA. Despite being a SCAB, he had good insights into the differences between ALPA and non-ALPA. Personally, I think Duane should have brought someone else from CAL, but he wanted the head of the MEC.

 

[PCL_128]

...and no one has crossed a picket line...

You need to pick up the nearest dictionary and read the definition of "scab." Hint: you don't have to cross a picket line to be a scab.

 

[jbDC9]

Here's an innocent question for ya; why are the US Air pilots referred to as "AAA" pilots? I never have understood that one...

 

[PCL_128]

All American Airways was the predecessor to USAir way back when. The ALPA Council was named AAA back then, and it's never changed, so people still say AAA.

 

[jke406]

We are blessed to have a true know-it-all on this forum.

There is nothing PCL doesn't know everything about.

Or so he would have you belive.

 

[PCL_128]

And more lovely insight from the cowardly and ignorant jackass406. Ready to admit you work for GoJet or Skybus yet?

 

[Captzaahlie]

Hear...Hear !!! The use of the word "scab" has lately been associated with those who have nothing more than a different point of view concerning representation.

As far as refusing jumpseats....I have heard absolutely nothing from my union ( not ALPA) and...even my ALPA buds at UAL, DAL, NWA, CAL and other airlines haven't heard anything from their union reps on this...

As for the use of the word "scab"....there has been no picket line crossed to perform struck work...the word "scab" doesn't apply here...

Are you paying attention Mr. 'B" ?

 

[Captzaahlie]

Here's a little joke to perhaps lighten this thread up a bit.

Do you know what a USAPA pilot likes to F' more than the hottest, sexiest, most adventurous, chick on the planet???





Another pilot!!!!
:laugh: :laugh: :laugh: :laugh:

The reality of the whole thing is that the East and West pilots are just f~ing one another.....

This is the time where we should all be working out our list of demands for a new contract!

Management will soon be F~ing both pilots groups as they play us against one another!

 

[Flybywire44]

*deleted to preserve professionalism*

 

[jbDC9]

We are blessed to have a true know-it-all on this forum.

There is nothing PCL doesn't know everything about.

Just let it go man... I asked a simple question, PCL responded with a simple answer. What's wrong with that?

 

[waveflyer]

Joe-
the point still stands that most recent hires at AWA are far more experienced than those at the bottom of AAA's list were when they got hired in the mid and late 80's. Again, noone has looked out for young pilot's seniority as scope has been released time and again- but then AAA want's credit for their time when they flew Fokker's and 146's? ? Guess what? Most AWA guys flew those a/c too (or their replacements)- they just had to fly them for "regional" airlines where they didn't have a right to any seniority grab. Excuse us, if, after 9/11, BK, scope, and age 65 if no young pilot feels that bad for pilots who failed time and again to think long term. Maybe you should have been leading. In the meantime- seniority is how YOU created it. Now you want to mold it to fit your needs b/c you've been on the losing end of it?- Piss off. It doesn't work that way.

You'd do much better to use your credibility and lead this country towards a national list.

 

[JoeMerchant]

Joe-
the point still stands that most recent hires at AWA are far more experienced than those at the bottom of AAA's list were when they got hired in the mid and late 80's. Again, noone has looked out for young pilot's seniority as scope has been released time and again- but then AAA want's credit for their time when they flew Fokker's and 146's? ? Guess what? Most AWA guys flew those a/c too (or their replacements)- they just had to fly them for "regional" airlines where they didn't have a right to any seniority grab. Excuse us, if, after 9/11, BK, scope, and age 65 if no young pilot feels that bad for pilots who failed time and again to think long term. Maybe you should have been leading. In the meantime- seniority is how YOU created it. Now you want to mold it to fit your needs b/c you've been on the losing end of it?- Piss off. It doesn't work that way.

You'd do much better to use your credibility and lead this country towards a national list.

I think a national seniority system is absolutely necessary....however your post shows why it will never happen.....YOUR vision of seniority and MINE don't match.....

Look at the AWA/USAIR, DAL/NWA, and AA/TWA seniority issues.....FAIR is only in the eyes of the beholder.....

Of course as long as we have this problem we will be divided.....

 

[PCL_128]

Very true. Each pilot has a different definition of when seniority should start on a hypothetical NSL. This is why it will never happen, no matter how much you want it to, waveflyer.