US Airways Jul 16 recall class

[LittleDeuce]

July 30 Recall Class

Hey Duece, any idea what equipment type might be available for the July 30 th class?

We do not get the manuals until the Friday before class.
I think it's fair to say based on the requirements and no show factor, a little of everything will be avialible.

 

[Bavarian Chef]

I believe they are trying to do a class of 20 every week...

Class of 20 no-shows?

Wow, that has to kill morale.

Any jb pilots on here gonna go back? Translation: is my seniority gonna get better?

Good luck fellers.

 

[aroundtheblock]

7/19/99 hire. No letter as of yet, but not going back. Screw me once shame on you, screw me twice shame on me. Not giving them a second chance.

 

[PCL_128]

IThe PIC type is the same as the SIC type except for a rejected take off and taxi to the gate from the left seat.

Don't you have to do a no-flap/no-slat visual approach on the PIC ride also?

 

[Swaayze]

Poop letter came today. 7/5/99 DOH. Aug 27 recall class. Looks like I'm in, unless/until I'm out.

 

[Hpilot]

We are using the former MDA E170 simulator in CLT. The ERJ-170/190 is a common type rating just like the 757/767 so exept for the weights, no big deal.

The sim is in the CLT Training Center, in the new bays next to the A-330 & A-320

Its been over a year since I've been to the CLT training center but I think the 190 sim is next to the Dash or in the same bay. I'm pretty sure its the same one that used to be the 170 sim we used at MDA.
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Thanks and Thanks.

 

[FurloughedAgain]

Swaayze,
Email me when you make your decision. Good luck.

 

[m5c]

Swaayze,

Best of luck.... I know that it is a damm hard choice for you.... I got my letter already, called to class July 30th. I feel that I might be screwing up by not going back...but I guess we will see.... I really regret not being able to ever even have a off chance of flying big airplanes, long distances..... If I went back maybe I could have at least gotten a widebody for a little while. Oh well...

Once again best of luck, it has to be better than Great Plains, well maybe....

Matthew

PS Keep in touch....Who knows what the future might hold....

 

[On Your Six]

Swaayze,

Best of luck.... I know that it is a damm hard choice for you.... I got my letter already, called to class July 30th. I feel that I might be screwing up by not going back...but I guess we will see.... I really regret not being able to ever even have a off chance of flying big airplanes, long distances..... If I went back maybe I could have at least gotten a widebody for a little while. Oh well...

Once again best of luck, it has to be better than Great Plains, well maybe....

Matthew

PS Keep in touch....Who knows what the future might hold....

Personally, I wouldn't give up a job at Frontier for USAirways. Your career progression would be slower to Captain I would think. Who knows - Frontier could be acquired or merged - that is a possible risk but hopefully your position would still be secure (you never know).

As for Swaayze, leaving an ERJ job for USAirways makes more sense so long as you can deal with the potentially long upgrade time. Have you considered Netjets? They're hiring and the pay/benefits is pretty good and plenty of ex-USAirways guys are there.

 

[sean67]

Actually, I think the progression will be high at AAA. With only 20% coming back, that brings you very close to the '88 and earlier hires. Alot of aged pilots there...alot of retirements regardless of the 65 thing that has yet to be passed. Hopefully the time will come that it'll be a great place to work..who knows.

 

[grog_sit_reserv]

I agree with sean67. The east attrition and no shows will make for fast progression for a while at least.

With the West locked out of the East because of the seniority, recalls and newhires might do okay.

 

[atpcliff]

Hi!

For all you USAir guys out there, I hope that, whether you stay or go, it works out well for you!

God Bless!

cliff
YIP

 

[Green]

I agree with sean67. The east attrition and no shows will make for fast progression for a while at least.

With the West locked out of the East because of the seniority, recalls and newhires might do okay.

hmmmm sounds like a windfall for the east newhires! Maybe I should sue Jack Stephen....

 

[sean67]

hmmmm sounds like a windfall for the east newhires! Maybe I should sue Jack Stephen....

On a serious note, how many AWA guys would move east to the domicles/widebodies once the integration is done?

sean

 

[grog_sit_reserv]

Not me. The east is poison for me because I was at AWA during the merger. I'll stay out west thanks.

But, a newhire might do ok out there because he or she didn't receive any "windfall."

 

[sgmick]

Its OK if you dont go back with this recall, you will have another chance at it once the lawsuit is settled and your not making a decision under DURESS.

Stay tuned.

Patience..............

 

[cactusboy53]

Sean;
I've posted this here and US Aviation board before. We have a small percentage of pilots that live in the East (one CA and three FO's that I know of specifically in the DCA/IAD/BWI area) that would likely take an East base. I am a commuter from the mid-West, so I would give an East base a shot for an upgrade.

Many, many AWA pilots are firmly ensconsed in the desert lifestyle and would not commute East for an upgrade.

That said, I predict that you would see about less than 7 - 8% of AWA pilots bid East for a CA-CA swap, or FO upgrade (about 126 pilots or so, tops). By the same token there will be some AAA West coast pilots that would love to shorten the commute time for quality of life. My guess...40-50 East moving West. A net loss of East CA seats of 86 or so (remember, these are just an educated guess).

So, the approximately 86 seats that I describe are being held hostage by the East MEC in an attempt to "vacate the Nicolau award". In the meantime, the East pilots are losing hundreds of thousands (if not millions) of dollars in wages, benefits, and additional vacation days.

Oh, did I mention that there is finally a vacancy bid for 49 CA slots in the West. Not moving as fast as the East, but it's a start!

The East MEC is focusing on the wrong prize, a CA would be nice....but I can go without that for MONEY, schedule, MONEY, time off, MONEY, better benefits, MONEY, and oh yes....MONEY.

 

[Boeing747Driver]

Its OK if you dont go back with this recall, you will have another chance at it once the lawsuit is settled and your not making a decision under DURESS.

Stay tuned.

Patience..............

DURESS what a joke. I heard it all now. What lawsuit? You would have to sue the company to get names put back on the list after declining final recall.

 

[grog_sit_reserv]

We are talking about East Coast USAirways pilots here.... They'll sue for it....

 

[Boeing747Driver]

We are talking about East Coast USAirways pilots here.... They'll sue for it....

I bet they will sue the west MEC to get the east pilots back on the list. LOL

 

[Boeing747Driver]

Please help me I got my final recall letter. I am under such major duress. What should I do?

Ok I will stay on the west thank you.

 

[Turtle21]

7/19/99 hire. No letter as of yet, but not going back. Screw me once shame on you, screw me twice shame on me. Not giving them a second chance.

USAir has become what Mesa was three years ago, and USAir is catching up with them quickly. I feel for people who have to go back because it is the best job they can get. I pitty the people who are going back because they dream USAir will be good again someday.

 

[Boeing747Driver]

USAir has become what Mesa was three years ago, and USAir is catching up with them quickly. I feel for people who have to go back because it is the best job they can get. I pitty the people who are going back because they dream USAir will be good again someday.

The majority of legacy carriers fall into the same category.

 

[Swaayze]

M5C,

Good to hear from you. Hope all is well. I think you're doing the right thing. Hell I'm a stinkin' Eagle FO and likely not going back! Then again that should probably show you what I know, which is nada, zip, zero, zilch. I was all for GP just hanging in there 'til I retired, home almost every night and flying the wonderful DoJet, but I digress.....

On Your Six,

Yeah I figure about an 8 year upgrade to Group 2 based on age 60 for a recall/newhire, so now I'd guess 10-12 with 65, though all that is speculative wrt merging of the list and whatnot. That's a long time but doable. My personal issue is just time. Won't move and don't really wanna commute for 20+ years. I figure money is easier to come by and less valuable than time (home with my kids). That said it is a tough decision and one I'm having plenty of trouble making. As for NetJets, I thought about them, sounds like a great job. Had an interview offer but passed. Again, I just can't see being gone every other week for 7 days at a time for the next 20+ years. Basically I've become a homebody since my kids were born and 9/11 happened. Just in the wrong business I guess but I still enjoy it once the cockpit door's closed and locked.


FurloughedAgain,

You'll be among the first to know. That way you guys can give me a proper beating for whichever way I go!

 

[FurloughedAgain]

I lack decision making skills. I just told my wife, "I'm just gonna do whatever Swaayze does."

No pressure.

 

[kie8nunu]

Furloughedagain and Swayzee,

It's been kind of fun reading through your recent posts regarding the final recall.....I'm a little bit senior to you guys so I get to be tormented with this decision for a few more months.....after the furlough I chose a different path....been home every night for 5 years....what a concept!!! I think I may try the recall and put USAirways on probation for 1 year...if it works for me I'll stay....If it doesn't then I'll furlough the airline....let us all know what you guys do....if you go back....good luck....if you don't good luck....now back to lurking

 

[FurloughedAgain]

Furlough the airline... You sir, might just be a genius.

If I could get that on a t-shirt i'd buy one today. "I furloughed US Airways without possibility for recall."

 

[Swaayze]

Ha ha, I like it. Wish Eagle would give me a LOA so I could go back, bank a little money and see if I could actually stay employed at LCC for a year or two before the next merger/recession/attack/force majure:erm: .

If I decide not to decide does that constitute a decision? I can't decide.

Just do the Costanza based on what I do FA and you'll be the master of your domain.

BTW there's a new APL at the ALPA site today.

 

[jmreii]

USAir has become what Mesa was three years ago, and USAir is catching up with them quickly. I feel for people who have to go back because it is the best job they can get. I pitty the people who are going back because they dream USAir will be good again someday.

I have been away from mesa for eight years now, never thought I would see an airline just as bad as mesa or worse. Good luck to all.

 

[grog_sit_reserv]

Really nothing has changed here except attitudes.

We all still bid in the same slots, we're finally running an upgrade class, we all still get paid the same as we did before.

It's easy to be down right now because of the way the East is handling the merger, but with all that said, THIS PLACE IS NOT EVEN CLOSE TO BEING MESA.