US Airways' go-it-alone approach paying off

[Crzipilot]

Don't think anyone is really complaining per sey about the flying. Gotta look a little under the surface of the comments and the bigger picture to understand the reason it's pointed out.

Like, I don't believe you guys ever had a min. block hours or airframes clause anywhere in your contract??? Hmmm..wonder where that might have come from....

sorta the big picture thing, such as in 7-10 yrs or so, this argument will pretty much be a moot point with the amount of retirements that will have taken place....

 

[PHXFLYR]

Well I'm feeling nice today, figured I'd do it for you.

As the majority opinion stated... " Additionally, USAPA’s final proposal may yet be one
that does not work the disadvantages Plaintiffs fear, even if
that proposal is not the Nicolau Award.3"

Oh and Footnote 3??? Seems they threw a shot at the dissenting opinion, wonder why that was????

3We do not address the thorny question of the extent to which the
Nicolau Award is binding on USAPA. We note, as the district court recognized, that USAPA is at least as free to abandon the Nicolau Award as was
its predecessor, ALPA. The dissent appears implicitly to assume that the
Nicolau Award, the product of the internal rules and processes of ALPA, is binding on USAPA.

Even the 9th says, We aren't going to say whether it's binding, or approach that issue, as the NIC award was a product of the INTERNAL rules and Processes of ALPA.

I believe that's what the bold letters say? Correct? So if I read that right, they are hinting that, if something comes out that doesn't include the NIC, it is not necessarily a DFR. And on top of that you must then prove that a new union is inherently stuck with the INTERNAL POLICIES of the union it replaced.

That's a good one......... Now boys and girls, can you tell me how that is different from say.....Uhmmmmmmmmmmmm inheriting the T/A or the West CBA and East CBA from alpa????


So do ya feel lucky? Got a spare 2 million laying around?

Yup !!


PHXFLYR

 

[Crzipilot]

good could I borrow a few shekkels?

Just uncovered a barn find vette I need to bring back to life....

 

[Guppiedriver]

Originally Posted by Crzipilot
I think you'd be prime picking for republic if it wasn't for the hook up back east...

Oh...the irony of this post! Had you not hooked up with a little west coast airline, y'all might be Wal*Mart greeters.

Here's an idea. Parker has the nic list under his pillows. He gets a CBA with section 22 that states the following:

"The Pilots' System Seniority List, as established by the USAPA constitution and bylaws, dated October 31, 2010, shall constitute the official Pilots' System
Seniority List."

Now, Parker looks at that list he is handed to him, and lo behold, it satisfies the T/A guidelines and doesn't cost him anything. He really doesn't care who is in front of the airplanes as long as someone is there, and it doesn't cost him any more than what it's gonna cost him.

So he looks at them and says. Hey, what about this internal alpa process that produced a list, that I've been sleeping on for 2 years???

Answer: That was an alpa deal. Alpa is gone, so go ahead and keep sleeping on it, you can use this list for now on.

......

You are pretty naive, aren't you? This is how it's going to go: USAPA will try to pass their coveted DOH list to Parker and he's going to say, "but I already have a list and it fits the TA to the letter." USAPA will say, "Bbbbut, ALPA made that list and our constitution only allows for DOH, so you have to take our list." Parker will say, hmmm, I don't think so...................well, wait a minute, I might have a solution for you.......what are you willing to give up for DOH?"

I don't doubt that Parker will give you DOH, but it's going cost you big time. It doesn't matter anyway, once you ratify your concessionary contract with DOH, it'll sit under Parkers pillow for years with "permanent injunction" stamped across the cover

You US Air 99/00 hires are funny, if not a little predictable. Hahaha!

 

[Crzipilot]

Ya, I guess about predictable as you 04/05 AW hires huh????

Again here ya are looking into the future telling us how things are going to go. You guys out west have a great track record with that don't you????

You'll never get enough cards signed....
You'll never have enough votes to get alpa out....
You'll never get the appeals court to hear your case
You'll never get the appeals court to overturn Judge Wake.....

jAnd now......US will never take a DOH list...'cause they have a list..

Oh BTW I emailed parker a list a while back....and said it was from alpa...Had my name as #1.....

Think he'll demand to use that list?

 

[Guppiedriver]

Ya, I guess about predictable as you 04/05 AW hires huh????

Again here ya are looking into the future telling us how things are going to go. You guys out west have a great track record with that don't you????

You'll never get enough cards signed....
You'll never have enough votes to get alpa out....
You'll never get the appeals court to hear your case
You'll never get the appeals court to overturn Judge Wake.....

jAnd now......US will never take a DOH list...'cause they have a list..

Oh BTW I emailed parker a list a while back....and said it was from alpa...Had my name as #1.....

Think he'll demand to use that list?

Nope...I've been here as long as you have, the difference is I have been on the property the whole time.

Yeah, USAPA's wins have been many and they have yielded the pilot group huge rewards.

Changing the name on the letterhead doesn't absolve you from your obligations. Man up and honor you word.

Let me know how that LOA 93 arbitration works out for you and good luck with your little CHAOS event that you have planned later this year.

 

[Crzipilot]

CHAOS?? Haven't heard a thing about it....but then I'm not plugged into the direct line of whatever goes on over here.


Unfortunately your opinion of the name changing and such, doesn't mesh with the courts or simple contract law it seems. I guess you can argue up through the SC, but it may just be to no avail.

so your a '99 hire that is licking his chops at moving into the area of a '84 hire on the east side. guess your missing that left seat that the lottery ticket said you deserve?

 

[johnnyb]

What's the percentage of West flying flown by East metal? How come nobody talks about that?

4%

24% vs 4%

Nobody talks about it because the West 'spoils of war mentality' isn't as politically correct as the east is a bunch of 'tyrannical meanies' head fake.

 

[St. Nic]

4%

24% vs 4%

Nobody talks about it because the West 'spoils of war mentality' isn't as politically correct as the east is a bunch of 'tyrannical meanies' head fake.

Well said!

 

[TWA Dude]

4%

Even if correct (since you didn't cite a source I assume you pulled it out or your tuchus) I'll repeat: there's no violation of the Transition Agreement so it's irrelevant.

 

[johnnyb]

I can assure you it is relevant to those of us seeing you fly our routes while claiming you 'brought jobs' .

The source? Do your homework

 

[TWA Dude]

I don't have to. You're the one complaining. If you think we're flying "your" routes complain to your union. They're not ALPA so you're covered, right?

 

[get2flyin]

I can assure you it is relevant to those of us seeing you fly our routes while claiming you 'brought jobs' .

The source? Do your homework

The source? Lemme guess, the bathroom wall in the CLT crew room?

 

[johnnyb]

The source? Lemme guess, the bathroom wall in the CLT crew room?

Freudian slip?

 

[Captzaahlie]

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