US Airways Final Recalls: Take it, or Leave it?

[General Lee]

This thread now sounds like a few crack addicts trying to lure in another one.

USAIR. Just say no.

If it is their dream to fly "the big jets", then they should consider it again. If they want stability, they can go to Netjets or Southwest. I still think USAir will be around in the future. And, they obviously want the advice or they wouldn't keep coming back for more.

Bye Bye--General Lee

 

[B-atch]

Convince YOURSELVES......Enough said!! This self contradiction thread is making me nucking futts!!

 

[FurloughedAgain]

Then don't read it.

Ok, so hypothetically, what could a 1/99 hire hold right now in:

BOS?
PHL?
CLT?

Also, what are the min days off on a reserve line?

And, is there any possibility of commuting home on your last day of reserve? i/e, is daily releasing anybody in time to catch the last train outa town?

 

[FLYLOW22]

If it is their dream to fly "the big jets", then they should consider it again. If they want stability, they can go to Netjets or Southwest. I still think USAir will be around in the future. And, they obviously want the advice or they wouldn't keep coming back for more.

Bye Bye--General Lee

Humbly,

This is NOT the place to seek advice. This board is about as useful to gather information about USAIR as talking to your barber.

You want facts? Call some of the guys you used to fly with. Call you old CPO and have the nice ladies leave V-File messages for guys to call you back. They will. I did.

Nothing has changed there in 6 years. It's still a stinking meat grinder.

3 HUGE factors in the decision to return (a fair decision to return) are missing as of yet. SENIORITY and the CBA (pay and working conditions).

1. Seniority- Contested
2. PAY- Not Negotiated
3. Working Conditions- Not Negotiated

This is called Russian Roullete... and US expects guys to be able to make a decision based on this?!?!? The CBA language that US is enforcing regarding recall of furloughed pilots was NEVER designed for these circumstances. They invoked Force Majure (Force Manure) on us back in 2001. I'd call this Force Manure for us now. The CBA recall language should not apply until all three of the above are settled. Only then will the decison to come back to this old boat be one based on fact and not SJS.

WANTED: CRACK SMOKERS to fly USAIR Jets. Must be willing to be a "visionary" and dream of big airplanes for the next 20-30 years till retirement, bend over and contnualy take it and settle for "mabye next times" until retirement.

One final thought... I wish that I could pay the bills with dreams of "flying the big ones". Dreams like that will have you retiring at age 69 (in the future) and wondering where the hell it all went; time and money.

 

[stb]

While I appreciate your advice, I don't believe you are seeing the entire picture. You lack the experience of working for US Airways and the associated uncertainty.

What a true statement. USAir has always attracted the best of the worst management teams. Dont go back to USAir and dont look back. The last class was for 30, 15 no-showed and 4 quit by the third day of indoc. So 11 of 30 finished indoc.

Take a trip to CLT and visit the schoolhouse ask questions. I'm sure in a hour you will have your answer.

The few couple of guys that I know went back feel they are getting set-up for furlough again. Moral is in the crapper. Most coming back are J4J pilots or did not have a flying job. They also said it seems USAirways is working through the list just to get rid of the list.

I feel sorry for the AW pilots.

 

[Crzipilot]

What's your pay at eagle vs going back to US?

If you go back at 4 year FO pay plus the 1500 for every year, couple that with the attrition East will have, you might be looking at something worthwhile.

I personally think you should come back.

The 1500 for every year is only for guys hired PRIOR to '98 (none of the 99 hires are included in that) So basically back at 3rd or 4th yr pay. 61 / 73/hr.....

 

[Swaayze]

What's your pay at eagle vs going back to US?

If you go back at 4 year FO pay plus the 1500 for every year, couple that with the attrition East will have, you might be looking at something worthwhile.

I personally think you should come back.

Um, I'd rather not say . Just about double when I'd hit my 4th year next summer.

Like I said, money is seemingly the ONLY valid reason to make the switch, and it's very enticing.

 

[Swaayze]

I don't think a commute from DFW to CLT (or PHX eventually) would be that bad. If you simply had to commute for family reasons, DFW is in the middle of the country and is about 2-3 hours from anywhere. If you lived in LA and had to commute to PHL, that might really suk.

Will there ever be a furlough like we both (US and DL) had after 9-11? I hope not. It could happen though, but I would think the odds are against it. If you have some seniority and can get in there and have 500 behind you eventually, that could probably be a good cushion, barring another 9-11. Again, it is up to you.

Bye Bye--General Lee

Understood. In fact, part of the reason we set up shop back in DFW a couple of years ago was because it offers a good commute to just about anywhere in the country. Of course, "good commute" is an oxymoron.

500 a good cushion at LCC?

LOL

 

[Swaayze]

WANTED: CRACK SMOKERS to fly USAIR Jets.

LOL! Thanks for the laugh.

 

[PlaneDrvr]

Obviously the pay issue makes it very difficult here but I'm having trouble finding ANY other reason to return to U (besides maybe a little SJS for the 757).

Thanks for the input, really. I need all the help I can get!

First, don't work there, but do have quite a few friends that do, some been there a while and some recent recalled furloughees. Regarding the "SJS for the 757" word from them, with the current fleet plan (and the Bus order), they are going to keep only about 20 of the 757s, the rest are going away in the next few years. Not sure what they are planning for the 767s, but they are getting up there in years, so probably will be replaced with new Airbi (or is Airbuses).

I think they said that 'days off' on reserve is 11 days a month; and if you are on 'long call' reserve, you can still be transitioned to 'short call' on I guess 10-12hrs (not sure of the time frame), if they need additional 'short call' reserve coverage. They also say that only 4 of the days off are 'immovable' the others can be made into 'work days' and replaced elsewhere on your line. I have seen some of their 'reserve lines' and most only have one block of 4-5 days off in a row, the rest are 2-3 day blocks in the line. Seems like it would be tough at times, if you did not live in base.

Just some of the info that I have heard, not sure if it helps. Just trying to pass on what I have heard, for what's its worth.

DA

P.S. Not sure why people are changing their minds after accepting recall, but I have heard the same thing as others have said here; recent classes have had like 40-60% 'no-shows' or drop-outs. Again, just try to pass on what I have heard. Tough decision, especially when you are not sure what the 'QOL' may turn out to be, Good Luck.

 

[gcsass]

If you want to fly a US Air 757, put your app in at FedEx..... sorry, couldn't resist! :beer:

 

[Boeing747Driver]

Convince YOURSELVES......Enough said!! This self contradiction thread is making me nucking futts!!

Go back
No don't go back. LOL

 

[Crzipilot]

Hey...sasss....you get out of here. NO more j/s for you...hahah...

 

[Swaayze]

Go back
No don't go back. LOL

Must be nice to not have to go through this process. Good for you.

 

[grog_sit_reserv]

Um, I'd rather not say . Just about double when I'd hit my 4th year next summer.

Like I said, money is seemingly the ONLY valid reason to make the switch, and it's very enticing.

Money is a BIG reason to return. We do this for money. Doubling your salary is HUGE. Think of your family's QOL when you don't sweat the bills any more.

Commuting does suck, but when things settle down and you decide on a base, move there and forget about it. Don't move out of it. The move will be tough at first, but everyone will survive; embrace it, this too shall pass.

If you're gonna get stuck somewhere, getting stuck at the majors is waaayyyy better than the minors.

Good luck with this.