US Airways Calls

[Smoke Toliet]

I'm sure this has been asked before but I was wondering if it was allowed, when could a new hire hope to hold PHX FO?

 

[xrated]

I'm sure this has been asked before but I was wondering if it was allowed, when could a new hire hope to hold PHX FO?

In all honesty, any new hire should just pretend PHX doesn't exist as a crew base. It will be super senior.

 

[johnnyb]

it'll be a solid 3 to 4 years before the pilot groups are merged. Plan on PHL, DCA or CLT only in the mean time.

 

[acaTerry]

Airbus Upgrade is projected at 5-6 years.

Dang this keeps sounding better and better. I need to stop looking at ALPC as my info source. If you tell me PHX will be able to be held in 4 yrs I'm going to take out the duster to my logbook.
Thanks for all the corrections guys.

 

[PGTB]

That 5-6 years doesn't see right. 750 retirees in the next 5 years. And I'm guessing this 5-6 yr figure doesn't include the inevitable addition of west pilots.

 

[weasel_lips]

Im showing closer to 1,000 at US alone. I would say the 5yr is accurate if you are willing to be on reserve as a group II captain. That goes well past 50% down the list. What's the point of bickering about it anyway? Get on while time is right!

 

[Trogdor]

The latest permanent bid shows the most junior Little Bus Captain in each domicile as follows:

CLT: #2433
DCA: #2356
PHL: #2161

The most junior new-hire on that bid is #3631, who I believe would have been in the April 15th class. Obviously there have been more classes since then, but I'm just trying to give an example.

With these seniority numbers, someone hired in spring of this year needs roughly 1200 people to retire before he/she would be able to hold Group 2 Captain. Based on the east-only seniority list I have, this will happen around January 1, 2019.

 

[dollacrackho]

The latest permanent bid shows the most junior Little Bus Captain in each domicile as follows:

CLT: #2433
DCA: #2356
PHL: #2161

The most junior new-hire on that bid is #3631, who I believe would have been in the April 15th class. Obviously there have been more classes since then, but I'm just trying to give an example.

With these seniority numbers, someone hired in spring of this year needs roughly 1200 people to retire before he/she would be able to hold Group 2 Captain. Based on the east-only seniority list I have, this will happen around January 1, 2019.

How soon til a new hire can hold a group 3 airplane as fo?

 

[PGTB]

Plus...however many west FOs there are..then that time doubles.

 

[Trogdor]

How soon til a new hire can hold a group 3 airplane as fo?

Using the same info as above, the most junior 75/76 FO in each domicile:

CLT: #3279
PHL: #3312

Roughly 300 retirements which will happen around October of 2014. Again, this is east only so all bets are off when we become one big happy family.

 

[Flybywire44]

Plus...however many west FOs there are..then that time doubles.

There are not as many of West FOs as you think. They all won't be willing to commute for reserve Group II Captain unless a PHX reduction forces them to do so. Call me an optimist, but after new rest rules and newAA international growth to Asia, Australia and Africa it'll be a mute point.

How soon til a new hire can hold a group 3 airplane as fo?

Early 2011 3rd list pilots will be holding 757/767 reserve this Fall. That would make Group 3 equipment is a 2yr 7mo wait.

The caveat is how many 767s will US Airways loose and will they be offset equally by a330 deliveries? ?I think so.

 

[acaTerry]

Its really a turn of irony that two airlines people snubbed over just 10 years ago (US and SWA) are now the ones to get on with. Good luck everybody!

 

[cbrown1]

I don't know if SWA is the "place to be" anymore, especially if you're an off the street newhire.

and as far as the us 767s, I know for a fact that three are going away this year, they are however replacing them with 3 a330s.

 

[johnnyb]

That 5-6 years doesn't see right. 750 retirees in the next 5 years. And I'm guessing this 5-6 yr figure doesn't include the inevitable addition of west pilots.

East is planning on hiring 1250 pilots in the next 4 years according to the #3 dude at HQ.

30 per month indefinitely except for Holidays ( and the Super Bowl).

 

[weasel_lips]

Everyday that passes with your name not on a seniority list at a major airline is another day wasted in your career.

The new American is the best career progression available at this time.

 

[cbrown1]

East is planning on hiring 1250 pilots in the next 4 years according to the #3 dude at HQ.

30 per month indefinitely except for Holidays ( and the Super Bowl).

30 per month isn't going to cut it.
The august bid had 104 new hires and since the bid came out they have only had 2 or 3 classes with about 10 guys in it.
Last week in CLT we had more days than not with 0 reserves available.

 

[crashmbern]

30 per month isn't going to cut it.
The august bid had 104 new hires and since the bid came out they have only had 2 or 3 classes with about 10 guys in it.
Last week in CLT we had more days than not with 0 reserves available.

I keep hearing the training center is running at full capacity, but I just don't see it. 10 pilots every 2 weeks shouldn't be that difficult. They withhold 190 fos from airbus training, and only hire 3 or 4 new hires into the 190.

 

[cbrown1]

They have the phx training center.
When I was there it was like a ghost town.

 

[JudgeSmails218]

Membership committee just put out an update that
said 2 classes per month through Nov; 1 in Dec.

 

[AeroDMB]

How many in each class? Do you foresee more AB than E190 slots coming up? Besides the fact it's a cross country commute do you know if the PHX to CLT or PHL commute is tough ?

 

[JumpersAway]

Everyday that passes with your name not on a seniority list at a major airline is another day wasted in your career.

The new American is the best career progression available at this time.

Ding! Very true. Many of the pilots that I know at ExpressJet have been waiting for DAL. They are now looking at the numbers and have submitted an app with US Airways. Bottom line is that US Airways and American will need a massive number of pilots NOW, and not later, such as DAL. Don't get me wrong, DAL definately has heavy movement on the horizon, but the immediate opportunity at LCC/AMR is unmatched.

If you are qualified and want to a job at LCC/AMR, you WILL get an interview. It's just a matter of time before you are called. I can't say enough positive about my interview experience there. Truly first class and great people.

 

[ERfly]

How many in each class? Do you foresee more AB than E190 slots coming up? Besides the fact it's a cross country commute do you know if the PHX to CLT or PHL commute is tough ?

The average is 10-15. In the past several months, there have been more Airbus slots than 190. However, the past is not indicative of future performance. I know we're short on the 190 and they're holding guys on the airplane right now. I think it's a matter of what they need at the time that planner comes into class.

PHX to anywhere is tough. It's especially though between the hubs. There always seems to be someone in the jumpseat.


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[cbrown1]

How many in each class? Do you foresee more AB than E190 slots coming up? Besides the fact it's a cross country commute do you know if the PHX to CLT or PHL commute is tough ?

I've told many friends this that choose to be based in PHL or DCA. But CLT is the best place to be based especially if you commute. The weather never really destroys the hub like it does in other cities. There is always a flight that will get you in before your showtime and there is always a flight that leaves after you get back. You'll almost never get back from a trip and be stuck without a flight home.

 

[zymotic]

How many in each class? Do you foresee more AB than E190 slots coming up? Besides the fact it's a cross country commute do you know if the PHX to CLT or PHL commute is tough ?

I commuted from PHX to PHL for all of 2008 and some of 2010 and 2011. Upside is you can reserve the jumpseat seven days out and most of the flights are the bus, hence two jumpseats. Downside is it's a long commute. If you are a block holder I would say it's easy in the sense that you can reasonably expect to get to and from work relatively stress free due to the reservation system (and can't get bumped for weight and balance).

My recommendation if you want to stick with living in PHX is stay on the 190 and hold a block. For my family and I we decided to move to CLT and haven't looked back.

BTW, my classmates and I did sit long call reserve in PHX. It's a bit risky but it always worked out. However, I think long call may be going away with the merger unless we get in back in joint negotiations.

 

[AeroDMB]

Thanks for all the feedback folks.

 

[zasca]

There is no shortage on the 190, and there will almost always be more bus slots per class due to the fact that they only have ONE EMB sim and two "paper" trainers. The reason they are holding guys back is because they dont have the training capacity to fill all the slots for FO's wanting to leave the plane and the relatively high number of upgrades taking away training slots.

 

[Flybywire44]

Just wait till US Airways and American merger and annual pilot hiring numbers hit 500 and beyond.

 

[PGTB]

Or possibly, they do like most mergers, and shrink...One Super80 comes off, and nothing takes its place. That's just as likely as 500/yr. Its a gamble.

 

[zymotic]

Or possibly, they do like most mergers, and shrink...One Super80 comes off, and nothing takes its place. That's just as likely as 500/yr. Its a gamble.

I'm not saying I'm ultra positive about this merger but, thinking middle of the road, I don't think the staffing levels will shrink enough to cause stagnation for years. Assuming age 65 stays in place, the retirements are cast in stone. The shrinkage is just speculation.

It's always a gamble to be at the bottom of a seniority list. Speaking for someone who has made the jump and experienced the furlough I would do it again every time.

 

[weasel_lips]

Or possibly, they do like most mergers, and shrink...One Super80 comes off, and nothing takes its place. That's just as likely as 500/yr. Its a gamble.

The only gamble is staying in your stinking RJ.