US Airways bid 08-02

[abefly]

Well there are NO furloughed pilots anymore... East or West...

Just a "what if..."

Let's say they decide to park 10 West 737's and eliminate those lines of flying from PHX and decide to furlough 100 pilots. Do you think they would furlough 100 East pilots in say PHL and then force 100 West pilots to go to PHL to replace the newly furloughed East pilots???

Thats exactly what would happen if they shrank phx...but they cant do that..Like you, we also have a limited number of airplanes that we can operate...The language in the transition agreement also states that no furloughed pilot at the time of the merger can bump an active pilot.. so given the fact there are say 600-700 pilots back after the merger I would say that all the america west pilots are safe , for now, from a small furlough. Rightfully so!

 

[ALGFLYR]

Thats exactly what would happen if they shrank phx...

The language in the transition agreement also states that no furloughed pilot at the time of the merger can bump an active pilot..

I would say that all the america west pilots are safe

Not true. The language you make reference to DOES NOT say "at the time of the merger"...

And actually, there is language in the transition agreement that references West furloughs...

Section II, B, 10 says:

"In the event of America West furloughs, furlough references in this Letter of Agreement will be modified to apply to both pilot groups."​

Are you sure about the West not being able to furlough???​

 

[abefly]

Not true. The language you make reference to DOES NOT say "at the time of the merger"...

And actually, there is language in the transition agreement that references West furloughs...

Section II, B, 10 says:

"In the event of America West furloughs, furlough references in this Letter of Agreement will be modified to apply to both pilot groups."​

Are you sure about the West not being able to furlough???​

section IV 2 a..Furloughed pilots may not displace?Bump active pilots.....

which may or may not be true of the different groups...but you can bet your ass this place will burn before one America West pilots is furloughed while a previously furloughed us air pilot is flying.....why do you feel like you are owed something? You would not have a job if it was not for this merger...back off the awa pilots

 

[PHXFLYR]

I got the same info. You and I will probably get to hear it when we fly with him to.

All I got to say is that '"es oh bee" better not say a peep.

PHXFLYR

 

[PHXFLYR]

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[weasel_lips]

section IV 2 a..Furloughed pilots may not displace?Bump active pilots.....

which may or may not be true of the different groups...but you can bet your ass this place will burn before one America West pilots is furloughed while a previously furloughed us air pilot is flying.....why do you feel like you are owed something? You would not have a job if it was not for this merger...back off the awa pilots

Perhaps you should look into the WIA program. You might be needing it.

 

[Deadalus]

Perhaps you should look into the WIA program. You might be needing it.

Why am I not surprised you're not a man of his word. You said you'd stop posting, yet here you are spouting off garbage. No honesty, no integrity, you guys are a sad group.

 

[weasel_lips]

Why am I not surprised you're not a man of his word. You said you'd stop posting, yet here you are spouting off garbage. No honesty, no integrity, you guys are a sad group.

Learn how to read moron.

I never said such a thing.

 

[MCDU]

So how many vacancies did the Bid end up with?

 

[ALGFLYR]

So how many vacancies did the Bid end up with?

The award had to be re-run, but the results were just released....

There were 136 un-filled slots as follows:

CLT Airbus - 6 open slots
CLT 737 - 28 open slots

DCA Airbus - 24 open slots
DCA 737 - 4 open slots

PHL 737 - 15 open slots
PHL Airbus - 18 open slots
PHL 190 - 25 open slots

LGA Airbus - 15 open slots

BOS Airbus - 1 open slot

 

[Captzaahlie]

The award had to be re-run, but the results were just released....

There were 136 un-filled slots as follows:

CLT Airbus - 6 open slots
CLT 737 - 28 open slots

DCA Airbus - 24 open slots
DCA 737 - 4 open slots

PHL 737 - 15 open slots
PHL Airbus - 18 open slots
PHL 190 - 25 open slots

LGA Airbus - 15 open slots

BOS Airbus - 1 open slot

Thanks for the info ALGFLYR!

 

[ALGFLYR]

and just FYI...

The junior Captain (E-190) has a hire date of March 15, 1999.

His seniority number is 3155. The most junior pilot on this bid award is number 3598.

So the most junior Captain is 443 numbers from the bottom of the list...

 

[waveflyer]

Isn't the same 16 year guy flying captain at ASA making $98/hour flying a much smaller airplane than your E190 "captain" who makes $95? They top out at $105- AAA tops at $95...

let's keep comparing: Eagle CRJ700= $97tops at$100,Skywest: $94/$99, ExpressJet which only flies 50 seaters (half the airplane...) comes in at $93 and tops at $97- Mesa (YES, MESA!!) $95/hr at year 16 tops at $104 THE KICKER-REPUBLIC PILOTS MAKE MORE THAN YOU: A LOT MORE E-175=$108 tops at $119, E-170=$98 tops at $108- Again, AAA E-190= $95/hour

...You guys have put "CAPTAIN" on such a pedestal, you've lost all perspective to what a good job should be in either seat... Don't let anyone fool you- all this debate is - is AAA pride- to everyone's detriment, but mostly their own. It's shameful.

what was said on another thread i might repeat til my retirement: "our esteem issues cost us dearly...."

 

[Thebadcat1313]

Isn't the same 16 year guy flying captain at ASA making $98/hour flying a much smaller airplane than your E190 "captain" who makes $95? They top out at $105- AAA tops at $95...

let's keep comparing: Eagle CRJ700= $97tops at$100,Skywest: $94/$99, ExpressJet which only flies 50 seaters (half the airplane...) comes in at $93 and tops at $97- Mesa (YES, MESA!!) $95/hr at year 16 tops at $104 THE KICKER-REPUBLIC PILOTS MAKE MORE THAN YOU: A LOT MORE E-175=$108 tops at $119, E-170=$98 tops at $108- Again, AAA E-190= $95/hour

...You guys have put "CAPTAIN" on such a pedestal, you've lost all perspective to what a good job should be in either seat... Don't let anyone fool you- all this debate is - is AAA pride- to everyone's detriment, but mostly their own. It's shameful.

what was said on another thread i might repeat til my retirement: "our esteem issues cost us dearly...."

Waveflyer,

I'll bet none of those airlines have EMB Captains who are in the bottom 10% of their seniority lists. They also have inferior work rules and benefits. You gotta compare apples to apples, not just pay rates.

 

[ALGFLYR]

Isn't the same 16 year guy flying captain at ASA making $98/hour flying a much smaller airplane than your E190 "captain" who makes $95? They top out at $105- AAA tops at $95...

True, but can that ASA Captain bid into the 757 or A-330?