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JetMonkey said:Well hell, you guys outta fit right in!![]()
B6Driver said:Please!
15 year Captains at TWA were put on the street so your new hires could keep their jobs.
There's some facts for ya.
Keep your sad stories to yourself.
aa73 said:Those "new hires" were HIRED at AA before TWA was "acquired." Therefore, job protection for those new hires was expected and granted. Sorry, but that's how it works in every merger, or shall I say asset acquisition.
Is that fact enough for you? I've got plenty more "sad stories" to share.
73
B6Driver said:No more sad stories for me.
JB just made their 17th Qtrly. profit.
How's AA doing?
Please keep them alive so I can retire from them to.
Pilots are a rough bunch to each other.
Fly-n-hi said:APA Screwed the TWA pilots PERIOD. For you to even suggest otherwise is foolish.
I guess if I was you I would try to defend my actions as well but at this point I think you're better off just keeping your mouth shut.
BTW, my father was one of those TWA captains that you stole 20 years and 2 weeks of seniority from.
aroundtheblock said:I'm surprised no one has said tis yet.... Maybe the new CEO at U has taken a page out of the Stephen Wolf playbook. Wolf and a few others received $25 million (on top of their normal salary) in a losing effort to merge US Air with United. These guys might just be trying to ilk the last few pennies out of the sinking ship.
Jeff Helgeson said:DOH + percentage on seniority list, seat protection, add fences to taste (but that's like cooking with MSG!).
Bring to raging boil, extinguish with halon.
Serves about 2400, best served between stale bread and presented as a "sh!t sandwich".
Best of luck to you all!
Fly-n-hi said:aa73,
I'm not TWA...just my father...for 35 years plus 4 at AA.
I'll keep this simple and short.
You say that you resent the fact that I blame you for stealing my father's seniority. When TWA was aquired they were bringing over the planes as well as the pilots. It's not as if it was just the pilots coming over. APA saw this as an opportunity to gain seniority quickly, period. There was absolutely no reason that the TWA folks should not have kept their original hire dates.
You say I should blame ALPA for letting this happen? Don't get me wrong...I'm not a big ALPA fan...but I blame you...not ALPA. APA screwed TWA. ALPA allowed it to happen, true, but you guys did the screwing.
Your logic is this: WE screwed the TWA pilots but ALPA didn't do anything to stop it so you should be mad at ALPA.
Are you saying that you should only treat someone the way you would like to be treated if you are forced to?
I feel I have the right to blame you as an induvidual and as a member of APA...unless you were active and vocal in getting the TWA guys their DOH's. Were you?
All in all this is just my opinion. I don't hate you or anything like that. But I will argue with you about this subject as long as you want.
Fly-n-hi said:aa73,
You say that you resent the fact that I blame you for stealing my father's seniority. When TWA was aquired they were bringing over the planes as well as the pilots. It's not as if it was just the pilots coming over. APA saw this as an opportunity to gain seniority quickly, period. There was absolutely no reason that the TWA folks should not have kept their original hire dates.
You say I should blame ALPA for letting this happen? Don't get me wrong...I'm not a big ALPA fan...but I blame you...not ALPA. APA screwed TWA. ALPA allowed it to happen, true, but you guys did the screwing.
Your logic is this: WE screwed the TWA pilots but ALPA didn't do anything to stop it so you should be mad at ALPA.
Are you saying that you should only treat someone the way you would like to be treated if you are forced to?
I feel I have the right to blame you as an induvidual and as a member of APA...unless you were active and vocal in getting the TWA guys their DOH's. Were you?
All in all this is just my opinion. I don't hate you or anything like that. But I will argue with you about this subject as long as you want.
Whether it's a buyout, acquisition, stock swap, or whatever is irrelevant. To the unionized workgroups it's a merger and ALPA policy should apply.joevollers said:If I'm right, I very well might not be but who knows---does ALPA's merger policy cover buyouts too??
Not quite. All Management cares about is that the merged list doesn't create a lot of training events. Beyond that they can only become involved in an advisory capacity.Pragmatically, I would bet that the only person who will be able to effectively answer how the pilot lists will be integrated is Doug Parker who will be running the show in any given scenario.