US Airways, America West in advanced merger talks - WSJ

[treetopflyer]

Can you see Frontier merging with anyone? I guess Jetblue maybe..?


Bye Bye---General Lee

independence ( I hope)

 

[aa73]

I will be the first to admit I was incorrect. Hadn't kept up on what has been going on in the past year and a half. I do apologize for the mis-information, it wasn't happening last time I saw a pilot bid sheet. Of course, the TW F/A's never even got that option.

Either way, the main point of my post was that IF this merger happens... Management needs to make sure that the employees are all on board and working together to make it succeed. Its going to be tough enough. I wonder what the chances are of coming up with a blended seniority list/fences/etc that both sides can be happy with?? How does one account for all the Airways guys on Furlough?

The next few weeks sure are going to get interesting around this industry......

I couldn't agree more, bro. Mergers are ugly no matter how you slice 'em.

Good luck to y'all.

73

 

[NAA Pilot]

Retract your statement, dude. The STL (SLT) 767 Int'l status is alive and well, with the company deadheading TWA CAs and FOs - at great cost to the company - down to DFW and up to ORD to fly DFW-HNL, DFW-SJU, and ORD-HNL. Been going on now for at least a year.

Fact is, everyone got screwed in this asset acquisition. Fact.

73

A lot of the F/Os that are being DHed at AA native F/os NOT TWA

 

[G4G5]

WSJ article was released in SFO.
Texas Pacific Group is located in SFO.
Guess who owns (or owned) controlling interest in AWA and at various times made attempts to control US?
Who was behind the CAL resurrection from BK and who inserted Bethune to run CAL?
Just some food for thought, these guys are very low profile but very serious players.

All excellent points!

Now that Mr. Bethune needs a job I wonder if Mr. Bonderman will be knocking on his door?

I am off all next week, what are you doing Monday? Printers Devil?

 

[acbarney]

Now that Mr. Bethune needs a job I wonder if Mr. Bonderman will be knocking on his door?

I seriously doubt it.

 

[G4G5]

Now that Mr. Bethune needs a job I wonder if Mr. Bonderman will be knocking on his door?

I seriously doubt it.

I should have said I was only joking. Those guys havn't gotten along in quite sometime. In fact Bonderman lost his board seat and Bethune lost his CEO job becuase neither guy could play nice in the sand box.

 

[acbarney]

Here's a good article describing the "relationship" between these guys.

http://www.fortune.com/fortune/articles/0,15114,708988,00.html

 

[rice]

I am off all next week, what are you doing Monday? Printers Devil?

PD sounds good. I'm in TEB next week but should be around during the day. You going to FRG tomorrow?

 

[michael707767]

Sure it is..........between ALPA carriers....if you are looking at TWA/AA, they were 2 separate unions, hence the turmoil.

wrong. ALPA dropped DOH in the merger policy years ago. Go back to the USAviation forums. But, just like there, you don't know what you are talking about.

 

[Fly-n-hi]

As an HP pilot I can tell you that the overwhelming opinion thus far is that we don't want to have anything to do with US Airways.

US Airways is like that person in the lake who is drowning and if you go out and try to rescue them they will just end up taking you under as well.

Sorry to all you US Airways guys. I'm not trying to start a flame war or anything like that. But the truth is your airline has been going down the toilet faster than a constipated turd.

 

[AA717driver]

aa73--The current deadheading out of STL is the result of Sup. CC. That's a small price for AA to pay to not revisit "fair and equitable" and "career expectations".

AA crews did deadhead to STL for awhile. It's all just more logic from AMR.

On the U/AWA talks: "I'll save you! Grab this anchor!". TC

P.S.--DOH was dead at ALPA before the Delta/PanAm deal.

 

[CRJDog]

The sound of tapps seems to be playing in the background for both companies if this happens.

You must be the leading authority regarding this matter right? NOT!!

Shut yer pie hole will ya?

 

[XTW]

I noticed that despite being "acquired" by a superior airline (financially), ALL pre-1990 TWA captains got slid into the American seniority list as captains. QUOTE]

That was supposed to ease the pain of losing up to 12 years of seniority from original DOH's. If they(APA) really intended on leaving these people as CA's, they would have assigned a seniority number that represented that fact. Reality is that, anyone hired after October 1988 at TWA is now furloughed and a good many senior to that, are now displaced to FO.


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[TheDonger]

As an HP pilot I can tell you that the overwhelming opinion thus far is that we don't want to have anything to do with US Airways.

US Airways is like that person in the lake who is drowning and if you go out and try to rescue them they will just end up taking you under as well.

Sorry to all you US Airways guys. I'm not trying to start a flame war or anything like that. But the truth is your airline has been going down the toilet faster than a constipated turd.

It's amazing that nobody has got the plunger out on us yet? I wouldn't say constipated turd..more floater variety that just doesn't flush so easy. One thing you'll discover about us US Turdways, we're really humorous.

 

[JetMonkey]

One thing you'll discover about us US Turdways, we're really humorous.

Well hell, you guys outta fit right in!

 

[aa73]

aa73--The current deadheading out of STL is the result of Sup. CC. That's a small price for AA to pay to not revisit "fair and equitable" and "career expectations".

AA crews did deadhead to STL for awhile. It's all just more logic from AMR.

On the U/AWA talks: "I'll save you! Grab this anchor!". TC

P.S.--DOH was dead at ALPA before the Delta/PanAm deal.

717-

I know all about the Supp CC and its inner workings. The only reason I posted what I did was that I wanted to clarify that the deadheading into/out of base went both ways, ticking off the respective parties.

I also agree that Supp CC was necessary to preserve the career expectations of TWA pilots. However, I am in the minority at AA with this line of thinking. Most AA pilots want to see it disassembled, which would obviously trigger a massive lawsuit of misrepresentation. I think Supp CC was necessary. The only thing I disagree with is.... if they want to keep a 767 Int'l bid status in STL, then they should fly int'l routes out of STL! This deadheading to DFW and ORD to fly out-of-base trips does cost the company a lot of $$. Bring back LGW, CDG, FRA, heck even add NRT - then we'd have a true 767I base. (Plus faster recalls.)

Regards,
73

 

[aa73]

A lot of the F/Os that are being DHed at AA native F/os NOT TWA

NAA,

There is not one "native" currently in the STL 767I bid status. They are all ex TWA. The natives you may be talking about are probably 767D or S80D, we all deadhead here and there when a sequence breaks up. But the 767 Int'l is all ex TWA.

73

 

[AAflyer]

717-

I know all about the Supp CC and its inner workings. The only reason I posted what I did was that I wanted to clarify that the deadheading into/out of base went both ways, ticking off the respective parties.

I also agree that Supp CC was necessary to preserve the career expectations of TWA pilots. However, I am in the minority at AA with this line of thinking. Most AA pilots want to see it disassembled, which would obviously trigger a massive lawsuit of misrepresentation. I think Supp CC was necessary. The only thing I disagree with is.... if they want to keep a 767 Int'l bid status in STL, then they should fly int'l routes out of STL! This deadheading to DFW and ORD to fly out-of-base trips does cost the company a lot of $$. Bring back LGW, CDG, FRA, heck even add NRT - then we'd have a true 767I base. (Plus faster recalls.)

Regards,
73

I don't want to see it eliminated either. These guys are a great bunch of guys who deserved a lot better than they got.

AA

 

[(o) (o)]

I know this is the Internet but just because somebody writes something doesn't make it so. Hiring at AWA continues at a slow rate. Can we put this to rest already?

People make a post, and another person verifies. why you so uptight dude?

 

[TWA Dude]

Because the question of AWA hiring had already been answered unequivocably both in this thread and another. I heard that John Paul II is near death. Anybody else heard that? (See how annoying it is?)