Ups Vs Swa

[Airbum]

While the "loner" thing is a bit untrue I agree alot with WD. Current issues with UPS requiring reserves to check if they have be preassigned trips, writing up reserves because crew scheduling couldn't contact them on layovers. Jumpseat booking, etc, all lead to a somewhat unfriendly labor issues.

 

[Big Beer Belly]

While the "loner" thing is a bit untrue I agree alot with WD. Current issues with UPS requiring reserves to check if they have be preassigned trips, writing up reserves because crew scheduling couldn't contact them on layovers. Jumpseat booking, etc, all lead to a somewhat unfriendly labor issues.

Working 4.3 days/mo (on avg) for more than 10 years on reserve... I'll happily take an occasional unpleasant phone call and call it even.

Hint: "Gee... I wish you had called me just a little sooner... before I had that BEER with lunch... cause I would have loved to rush out to the airport (on min notice) in order to rescue whatever screw up you no doubt created".

PS... I feel sorry for the non-drinkers!

BBB

 

[Airbum]

BBB I to feel sorry for the non drinkers

Playing devils advocate perhaps with the interpretation of no set schedule, the beer perhaps would also be a contract violation as it would make one unavailable for reassignment. The checking for preassignments while on reserve would apply for all reserve days not just the 4.3 you have averaged.

My point being these positions are not labor friendly ones. perhaps our friend looking to decide on his/her future would also like to be aware of them along with all the good that seems to come with a job flying freight for ups.

 

[AV80R]

...As far as I’m concerned, those were the best and the only people I would want to fly...

Amen to that!

 

[767pilot]

not too many loners on the Cologne weekends!

 

[Big Beer Belly]

BBB I to feel sorry for the non drinkers

Playing devils advocate perhaps with the interpretation of no set schedule, the beer perhaps would also be a contract violation as it would make one unavailable for reassignment. The checking for preassignments while on reserve would apply for all reserve days not just the 4.3 you have averaged.

My point being these positions are not labor friendly ones. perhaps our friend looking to decide on his/her future would also like to be aware of them along with all the good that seems to come with a job flying freight for ups.

Though I defer to my esteemed colleague's opinion on this matter... I cannot imagine it prevailing in arbitration. As a reserve... once launched on a trip to fill in for a sick crewmember, I cannot imagine any court deciding you have to remain "contactable" during your entire crew rest. If they want that flexibility, then they can jolly well pay for it in the form of a "hotel hot"!

Then again... I can afford to be somewhat flippant as reserve is something I choose... not something I am forced to bid.

YMMV,

BBB

 

[capt. megadeth]

Say hi to the RedRoof Maffia if you're ever there! ...(the link is a little slow to download).

See what 2 weeks with NO flyin' at Red Roof will do to you!?

That's hilarious! Did you order any?

 

[AV80R]

That's hilarious! Did you order any?

No, we were thinking about it but it was kind of pricey, unless you ordered 10 shirts or so... Well, we had fun designing it though...

 

[airwillydrvr]

UPS, no brainer.

I jumpsat on SWA last month and the crew was on leg number 4 of 6 that day. It took them 6 legs to fly from BWI to the west coast!

That multiple day stuff is not for me, they can have it. Give me one leg to the bar in some foreign land.

One trip to the Pac Rim and your Mr Foreign Land man. When do you get back?

 

[JohnnyCash]

i guess ups is hiring the loner types from loner airlines.

you can call me a loner or whatever really 'cause i'm gett'n paid.

 

[FO 4 Life]

Hey AirWilly,

He called from Osaka today so probably not much longer. He goes to Hono a couple times next month but other than that is on the downhill slide. You still going to ANC?

 

[bohnzai]

Yeah baby, one leg to the bar in some foreign land all the way! ...Wait a minute, does ANC, Alaska, or MIA, Florida count? :beer:

Say hi to the RedRoof Maffia if you're ever there! ...(the link is a little slow to download).

See what 2 weeks with NO flyin' at Red Roof will do to you!?

Dude

I told you not to use my picture on the T-shirt! Thats me on the lower picture after a 10 day stint at the Roof. I miss those days so much I'll be there the first week of Sept. (RSCA stuff)

Take it easy

HB

 

[bohnzai]

One trip to the Pac Rim and your Mr Foreign Land man. When do you get back?

I see why us junior guys can't hold these lines. The bad news is that I'll weigh about 12 pounds more when I get back from all of the catering out here.

I'll be back on the 1st from ANC, I'll give you a call.

 

[AV80R]

Dude, I told you not to use my picture on the T-shirt! Thats me on the lower picture after a 10 day stint at the Roof.

I know - and that's your "good" picture - I can only imagine what you must look like now...

I miss those days so much I'll be there the first week of Sept. (RSCA stuff)

You must have bid it, huh? Hopefully I'll recognize you if I run into you at the Roof :laugh: Have fun at Michael J’s!

 

[FO 4 Life]

Michael J's????

He'll be walking around Jack in the Box at 3 am with C.N. talking to himself.

 

[AV80R]

Michael J's????

He'll be walking around Jack in the Box at 3 am with C.N. talking to himself.

Very true... :laugh:

 

[bohnzai]

Michael J's????

He'll be walking around Jack in the Box at 3 am with C.N. talking to himself.

Don't you mean Crack in the Box.

 

[BigShotXJTdrvr]

A few questions:

Are most new hires going to ANC?

How junior/undesirable is ONT reserve? Is it that bad even if you live there? Just bad trips or what?

Is the oceanic requirement going to remain when the window opens again?

Any word on the number of new hires over the next couple of years?

Thanks.

 

[AV80R]

A few questions:
Are most new hires going to ANC?

- Well, it depends on which class we’re talking about? They’ve had classes where almost all the pilots went there and they’ve had classes where almost everyone ended up in ONT or SDF - so who knows? I’d say a large portion of new-hires have been going to ANC but the vast majority of them had heavy, transoceanic experience from the past. So if you have that - your chances of ending up in ANC do increase; otherwise you might end up in any domicile and on any aircraft UPS flies.

How junior/undesirable is ONT reserve? Is it that bad even if you live there? Just bad trips or what?

That bad? Huh? If you live at your domicile it cannot get any better. One of my classmates lives around ONT and he bids reserve only and he loves it! Heck, I just flew with a captain who hadn’t flown for 2+ months, like I said if you live here it’s great. I noticed reserve seems to be going a little more senior now but if you want it, you can probably get it.

Is the oceanic requirement going to remain when the window opens again?

Who knows? The rumor is the requirement was just there temporarily because the feds were concerned about the company pairing new-hires without international experience with brand new captains. Personally, I hope they’ll waive that requirement soon.

Any word on the number of new hires over the next couple of years?

No one knows but it doesn’t really matter until you’re one of them, does it? So don’t delay, apply as soon as soon as the application window reopens. Good luck!