UPS or FEDEX?

[Cyclone]

spur...two-minute rule

I'm glad there's no pool now...good for your company

Fact
There were poolies who waited two years before they got hired at FedEx in '04
If those same guys (they interviewed in Aug '02) had also interviewed/been hired at JetBlue in Aug '02...they will be Captains at Jetblue in six months from today (maybe). They're currently S.O.s on the 72...not bad...just different. And that's all history. As far as the future I hope you're right. It's just something to think about.

Regardless...the rest of your post body is full of predictions, conjectures, and opinion...none of it is in fact a fact. While I'm sure you have much better idea of what will happen than a numbskull like me...that doesn't make your opinion a fact.

Kit Darby used to toss around facts like that at his seminars...boy do we all remember those facts...yikes!

 

[Los1]

sur-

fact!!
Couldve held the left seat of the -27 at 4 years almost to the day!!
Los1

 

[brownie]

fact.
jet blue capt
12 yr=73/hr
fact.
no thanx

 

[psysicx]

What time at night do UPS flights start.And how long to bid international trips on both side.Also we should start a thread why working for them is bad.Working at night sucks but people do for stability.

 

[klhoard]

sur-

fact!!
Couldve held the left seat of the -27 at 4 years almost to the day!!
Los1

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Same here - 4.5 years. . . Staying in the MD-11, though. . . .
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[capt. megadeth]

JetBlue and AirTran may have ant sized profits, but I'd sure as he11 rather work there than fly freight for 20 years...with the condition that Blue and Citrus will still be around (and they don't need 800 million/quarter every quarter) to pay my paycheck.

Cool.....less competition for me. Good Luck with Airtran and JetBlue

On a side note, Cyclone,
You could make as an FO at FedEx what you would make as a Capt. at JetBlue and Airtran. So, who cares about upgrades? You will just be at the bottom of another list (a junior capt) so where is that QOL then?

 

[Mr Zog]

fact.
jet blue capt
12 yr=73/hr
fact.
no thanx

To keep the record straight. A 12 year JetBlue Captain (which none exist yet) will make about $140/hour. A 12 yr JetBlue F/O makes in the mid-70s.

 

[brownie]

to keep the fact straight go to www.airlinepilotpay .com and ck the senior cpt pay on E190
jet blue E190 senior cpt 73$ an hour.
noooo thanx

 

[walden]

Brownie,
I just checked the site you referred to...the E190 pay scale you mention is not for a "senior" captain....it's for a 2-3 year captain. The "senior" captain (12 years in keeping in line with your last post) is $89/hr.

 

[Purpledog]

But before you jump into it and think...I want to do this for the rest of my adult life. Think about the cost. The price you pay will be fatigue and long-term effects (how you age and vulnerability to disease).

I'd like to look at the effects on long term health of a scenario I see every month.

Guy works 15+ years at his carrier only to lose his job when it goes under. He is now forced to start over in his late 40's-50's. He reaches 60 only to the realization that he must continue working into the golden years b/c he hasn't saved enough to retire. Think this doesn't happen? I fly with a new one of these guys at least every month and unfortunately it looks like there will be many more of these guys down the road. I certainly wouldn't wish this on anyone and the amount of stress and ill effects on someone's health/family/marriage must be enormous. IMHO, I believe peace of mind to be the most beneficial to my health. Compare the above situation to mine. I was fortunate to get hired in my early 30s and barring some major event that would bring FDX/UPS to thier knees, I plan on flying my last revenue flight when I turn 55.
For those making a decision, I definately agree with Cyclone, don't just think about pay, think about everything. The scenario above was why I chose cargo. I'm not much of a risk taker anymore with a family to feed. Also, I really don't want to be working past 55 and I think this venue is the best for me attaining my goal.
Good luck
Back to the subject of this thread, both companies are great. It might come down to something as trivial as if you want to wear a brown suit or a leather jacket. lol. Although I hear brown guys pushing for the leather in thier next uniform change. All joking aside, if you were fortunate enough to get offers from both, I would go with the one that makes it easier to live where you want.

 

[psysicx]

capt megadeth have you applied to Southwest or do you want to be night owl?

 

[VABB]

The Times Are Changing

Just 5 or 6 years ago, the big question was something like UAL or DAL, and most people looked at FedEx and UPS as places only to get good experience. Now, some of these people are having a change of heart. Well, except for maybe the hardcore DAL boys, too much pride to haul freight.

 

[ExAF]

Either

Personally, I don't have a dog in this fight, but do I have good friends that fly at both. From a neutral observer standpoint, either would be a great choice. I recommend going with the first one that offers you a class date. Seniority IS EVERYTHING in this business! Once you have your foot in the door, then you would have a real decision to make...stay or leave. If I had to decide between the 2 at the same time, I think it would depend on quality of life variables. Where do you want to live being the primary issue. If I had to commute, I would lean toward FedEx. At this point in time I think they tend to be a little more "commuter friendly." That could change after contract talks. Both are good companies with good security. Pilots from both companies have things they complain about and tout just like at every other company. Just remember, SENIORITY IS EVERYTHING.

 

[capt. megadeth]

capt megadeth have you applied to Southwest or do you want to be night owl?

I have my app in at Southwest but I want to be a night owl.

 

[LEROY]

Just another FACT to pass along:
FDX 727 F/O at 11 months; could have held MD11 F/O MEM, LAX or ANC. Hiring rate at present is DOUBLE what it was during the 11 months that got me to the right seat so fast. Something to chew on...

 

[psysicx]

Is it possible to go from the FE on the 727 to the right seat of the MD?Or do you have to go to the right seat of the 727?

 

[Spur]

You can go from the back of the 727 to the left seat of the MD-11 if your seniority can hold it.

 

[FedExpert]

Leroy,

I've got something you can chew on.............................
Why didn't you bid the MD-11, are you scared?

 

[Clyde]

I fly for Brown, but would have just as easily have gone to Purple had they called instead.

Whoever can offer you a class date first is probably your best bet. If you have to choose between them, then you are having a really good day.

 

[LEROY]

FedExpert,
I AM scared. And I will be scared when y'all are taking up crashpad space practicing LOFTs while I'm trying to sit A Reserve.
P.S. any pro-rated rent for those of us flying the line while you toil away at the MD 11 building?
Sorry to hi-jack the thread