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Boy did I inadvertantly stir up a sh*t storm. I was not pulling a "civ. vs. mil" argument - it was merely the numbers from my class. By the way, out of the 8 military pilots they interviewed, they only hired 2 - so being military doesn't get you the job, just might open the door a little wider for an interview.

Am I a little dissappointed at not getting looked yet? - you bet! I spent $8300 dollars on a furloughed pilots pay for a type rating because they told me I was competitive only to tell me after I was there that I wasn't competitive.

I still think it's a great company with great pilots, I just wish I would have spent my money more wisely, that's all.
 
TV9Driver,

we're all just blowing off steam. Good luck and hang in there. By the way, how many space shuttle hours did you get and what did you log it as? Forget I asked, else the Saturn and Gemini pilots will chime in and start moaning about not being fixed wing or rotary wing.
 
kelbill,

Thanks.... I actually landed at another major and am doing just fine. I just wish I had spent my money on something more usefull like food for my kids...hehe
 
For what it's worth?

CAL will furlough by Spring...Just a guess. 1700 is competitive. And with the Apocolypse happening around Jan 1, 2006; none of this will matter, will it? Civ v. Mil or Gentile V. Hebrew?
 
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At AirInc two weeks ago in DCA, they said 1600 PIC is the threshold for a call.
 
NEDude said:
At AirInc two weeks ago in DCA, they said 1600 PIC is the threshold for a call.

But not a guarantee for the call. A quick read of this very forum will show many pilot with many more hours are still awaiting the call.

enigma
 
Hey here is your chance to be happy. I am a military guy an civilian flyer before that. I did not get the job. Cheer now civi, cheer now. The reference that the military pilot is better or worse than the civi is two-fold. Coming from both backgrounds, I can say my views. The civi that flies for a 121 light-twin aircraft company flying RJs or TPs has the current experience in the operations that a major/national/whoever flies. The problem comes with the experience with stress during a flight. I can attest that when $hit hits the fan in a plane the military guy/gal will deal with it, in my mind since I started in civi and fly in the military and now am going back to fly more civi, better. The type of flying you have in the military from dropping bombs with people of the ground firing god knows what at you, or flying 300 feet modified contour on NVG in the mountains and landing on a 2500 by 60 foot unlit DZ dropping guys off to risk their lives to protect ours. Now try that with an engine out and you can turn back but the other guys on the ground are getting over run and these guys in the back are their backup. The stress level on an average flight is a little higher than going into JFK with low mins. But what is comes down to is the interview. I jacked mine up with SWA, just recently and I know a good civi counterpart that got the job and I did not. So there you go, not every military guy gets it. In this case the majority that got it were civis. Great guy, I wish them luck. The comparision between the 2 types of flying should not come into it. One guy sucked at the interview...me the others did not....them.
 
The type of flying you have in the military from dropping bombs with people of the ground firing god knows what at you, or flying 300 feet modified contour on NVG in the mountains and landing on a 2500 by 60 foot unlit DZ dropping guys off to risk their lives to protect ours. Now try that with an engine out and you can turn back but the other guys on the ground are getting over run and these guys in the back are their backup.

Wow. That sound so exciting. Do you spend a lot of time looking in the mirror admiring yourself?
 
It is tough but yes I do. Oh no a hair out of place. Need to get that fixed. Can''t go out not looking good. Buddy, you missed the point of the post. But looking at you profile, I can see why. There goes the sterotyping again....I need to stop that, but wait, it seems to be true.
 
I've flown with some great ex-military pilots and i've flown with some horrible ex-military pilots. I have flown with some great civilian pilots and I've flown with some horrible civilian pilots. Your background doesn't matter. If I hopped in a c172 right now i'd scare the sh*t out of the flight instructor sitting next to me. And if he/she jumped in the jet i'm flying now, he'd scare the sh*t out of me. Just because you are the best bomber/fighter pilot in the military doesn't mean you are good at flying an Airbus from New York to San Fransisco everyday. Just because you used to be a RJ captain doesn't mean you know everything about the airlines either. I just had a "retired Commander in the United State Navy" (he let me know about that fact ever 5 minutes) taxi us across an active runway with no clearance - putting my life and career in jeopardy.

So, I guess my point is, we all suck and we all make mistakes and no one is better than another because of their background- and the sooner everyone figures that out the safer and happier we will all be.
 
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It is tough but yes I do. Oh no a hair out of place. Need to get that fixed. Can''t go out not looking good. Buddy, you missed the point of the post. But looking at you profile, I can see why. There goes the sterotyping again....I need to stop that, but wait, it seems to be true.

What stereotyping? That military guys often fall into the trap of being too pompous for their own good, as evidenced by your Top Gun-type diatribe above?


And what in my profile leads you to stereotype? The Tylenol part? If you don't know Airplane by heart, there's no way you're ready for a job at the majors.
 
TV9 Driver hit it square on the head. I agree to it 100%. Radar, trust me, I am not a military pompous freak by any means. I just have the view point that others flying both civilian and military have. I have the experience seeing both sides of the table, radarlove...do you? If you do then you see the differences between the types of flying. Anyone can fly a plane, it is what you do when stuff goes wrong that counts. No I am not saying civilian only can't handle it but have flown 5 years of civilian before I flew in the military and seeing the training differences, I can say for sure the military trains for what can go wrong more times that civilian training. I would put my money on a newly winged military pilot over a civilian trained new commercial pilot from the best schools in America any day of the week. I have the advantage to have gone through one of those great programs and I know the standards and experience they train to. Enough from me..for now.
 
I'm sorry, I may be getting sucked into something I know I shouldn't, however.

What makes a military guy more apt to deal with stress again?

Because 10% of the miltary guys flight time may be under stressful circumstances? I know you guys can deal with multi-tasking. (ie: dropping bombs, locking on targets) However, it really boils down to individuals doesn't it?

Tell me that there are not weak pilots in your UNIT? You fail to recognize that every group, including the ultra elite, have weak links. Unfortunately everyone that's weak does not get weeded out. I have flown with many weak civilians. And quite few weak miltary guys. And when I say weak, it simply means tasks could be done more expeditiously and CONFIDENTLY. Confidence in flying has a great deal more to do than stick skills. It in my humble opinion it is shear decision making ability.

I know you guys know the type of captain that hides behind the book. They will be the guys that are flying an approach and are such good captains that they will be turning engine anti-ice on and off at 600 ft AGL all be themselves. Because they know the book says to do it when the temperature is between 10 and negative 40 degrees celcius. Now this is the same guy who just got done busting my chops about nicky picky little things all day long.

You know the guys. They spend the night before reading the FOM in their hotel rooms only to bust your chops the whole day long about how you should know this stuff. They are weak. You notice the weak ones are always always the ones who micro-manage the sh1t out of their copilots because they're afraid of getting out of parameters for just a second because they're weak and unsure of there abilties.

Now, like I said. I have come across both military and civilian pilots who could fall into this category, however. I'm not sure if knowing the book's nuances and tid bits of info makes a better pilot. Because when the sh1t hits the fan those little things really do not make a sh1t of difference.

I tend to see a common theme among Air Force guys I fly with however. They seem to fit the category of micro-managing. And have a tendency to evaluate there counterparts quite a bit. Not to say that's not probably the environment they came from. And sometimes being a captain it is your responsibility and duty to point out unsafe actions to your copilot. But I submit to anyone reading this board, not knowing the psi ratings of the fuel pumps on board the 737 will not effect my ability to safely fly the aircraft.

When my all knowing air force colonel captain reaches up and turns on the engine anti-ice at 600 ft AGL flying a no sh1t approach because he thinks the aircraft will fall out of the sky if we don't have it on in southern california. And when doing so, we have amber lights that say hydraulic low pressure. The dumb a$$ turns off the eng and elec pumps off instead.

You see, I would much rather fly with a laid back SAFE pilot whether civilian or military (other than AIr Force COLONELS ;)

Like I said civilian or military doesn't really matter, individuals really do

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Let the flaming start all over
 

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