United new hire class seniority?

[boknowsASA]

Does United still do class seniority by your last 4 of SSN? (was it always lowest to highest)

Or is it by age

Thanks for the info

 

[Crucianpilot]

Its done by Age.

 

[Stugatz78]

This is not related, but how long would it take a new hire to get based at LAX? What is the junior base/equip that most guys are getting from the start? I appreciate any info you guys might be able to give me.

 

[Andy]

This is not related, but how long would it take a new hire to get based at LAX? What is the junior base/equip that most guys are getting from the start? I appreciate any info you guys might be able to give me.

Currently, junior bases are EWR and IAH. GUM for volunteers. I've heard that new hires were getting additional bases but haven't confirmed this.

LAX will probably take less than a year. There will be a LOT of movement throughout the system with all of the retirements.

 

[Chairman]

Its done by Age.

You mean at UAL CAL side.... Not how it was done at LUAL side

 

[PVB BEACH]

Yeah Chairman, He does not care how LUAL does it because it is not 2007. This is 2013 and he wants to know how people today at LCAL the hiring carrier place pilots in seniority order. He also is not interested in unicorn fairy tail career expectations of a pilot hired at Pan Am that still thinks he is owed his Super Connie left seat because realities change in this business

 

[Chairman]

Yeah Chairman, He does not care how LUAL does it because it is not 2007. This is 2013 and he wants to know how people today at LCAL the hiring carrier place pilots in seniority order. He also is not interested in unicorn fairy tail career expectations of a pilot hired at Pan Am that still thinks he is owed his Super Connie left seat because realities change in this business

Was not trying to stir the pot but there are a few months of classes before it all stops and moves to 1 company hiring pilots 1 way. I for sure don't know how it will be after, however come post SLI it will only be UAL. But thanks for the history lesson....

Better go back studying for that 747 cAP class. I hear its going jr like 2006

 

[PVB BEACH]

Nope Chairman, not interested in training on an airplane that will be off property in a couple of years. I am a happy 2006 hire flying the 777 getting 20 days off a month. This is my fifth airline and I guess you think I should go to the back of the line again despite the fact I finally got lucky with a solid airline. Sorry not interested in trading places as bad as a feel about your position, been there numerous times. Sincerely

 

[Chairman]

I never said my position is bad... Glad you like the 777 seems like you have many more magically showing up by the end of the year.... Keep talking wont effect my seniority 1 bit. Sad part is this inter pilot fighting will make the company laugh all the way to the bank...

 

[PVB BEACH]

True, back to reality. Forgot why I only visit and post on these sites every couple of years. It always leaves me feeling empty and sorry for folks that lead there lives on here. Good Luck and Good Night

 

[Chairman]

True, back to reality. Forgot why I only visit and post on these sites every couple of years. It always leaves me feeling empty and sorry for folks that lead there lives on here. Good Luck and Good Night

+1 see you on line lets all pull the same way as we have lots to work through.

Chairman

 

[Scrapdog]

As PVB said...done by age...as it has been done at l-CAL which is the subsidiary doing the hiring.

 

[Andy]

As PVB said...done by age...as it has been done at l-CAL which is the subsidiary doing the hiring.

That's likely the way that it will be done in the future, as 1) LUAL won't be new pilot hiring prior to SLI and 2) once SLI is complete, UCH will use only one method. And I expect that method to be based on age.

I benefitted from LUAL's system, as I have a last four of 0xxx, hired at 39. I probably would have been ~10th in my class of 28 instead of #3. In spite of that, I think that age-based is the fairest way of determining class seniority.

Scrapdog and Chairman, thanks for defusing another potential war of words. Tensions are high due to SLI hearings but all of that is out of our hands; three arbitrators will make the final list. The vast majority of both subsidiaries will feel sleighted with the results but that's human nature. Let's hope that very few carry a grudge for very long.

I've enjoyed flying with LCAL crews and have only encountered a few individuals with chips on their shoulders over the merger. The merger was above our paygrade - we're simply paid to move metal from point A to point B. In a professional manner.

 

[Crucianpilot]

Well said Andy, well said!

 

[Stugatz78]

Thank you guys for the info. Is it a crap shoot as to what aircraft you get placed on or do most new hires get 737 or 320?

 

[RT8VA]

it will be 737 or 757/767 most likely, no 320 spots

 

[Flyer1015]

Nope Chairman, not interested in training on an airplane that will be off property in a couple of years. I am a happy 2006 hire flying the 777 getting 20 days off a month. This is my fifth airline and I guess you think I should go to the back of the line again despite the fact I finally got lucky with a solid airline. Sorry not interested in trading places as bad as a feel about your position, been there numerous times. Sincerely

What airline is this?!

 

[SVA_402]

In spite of that, I think that age-based is the fairest way of determining class seniority.

Can I ask why you think that? I realize in an airline with over 10k pilots that a few numbers probably don't matter, and the younger guy will see the older guys in his class retire before him, but I've been screwed by 1 number in furloughs and recalls. Being the younger guy, I have still put my time in and had guys 15 years older than me with half the experience end up way above me because of age. Most of those situations were because someone made a career change. Shouldn't the younger folks be rewarded for making it to a major early, rather than being punished for knowing what they wanted to do from a young age and pursuing it? Just my thoughts, not necessarily right...

 

[boknowsASA]

Thanks for the info everyone.

Can someone explain how Guam works. I've heard you get a $3,000 a month housing allowance. Do you also skip 1st year pay scale? (Rumor) How is it out in Guam? Is the $3,000 enough to find a nice place? Are you locked into the base for a certain time period? Do you need a car?

Thanks for the info

 

[Andy]

Can I ask why you think that?

the younger guy will see the older guys in his class retire before him,

You answered your own question. I expressed an opinion; it is simply an opinion. Since the logic behind my opinion was easily deducible, why did you feel the need to ask the question?

As to any objections to such a system, there will be objections to ANY system of rank ordering a class. Some more valid than others.

 

[Andy]

Thanks for the info everyone.

Can someone explain how Guam works. I've heard you get a $3,000 a month housing allowance. Do you also skip 1st year pay scale? (Rumor) How is it out in Guam? Is the $3,000 enough to find a nice place? Are you locked into the base for a certain time period? Do you need a car?

Thanks for the info

You go on second year pay.

I've never been there so I don't know anything about the cost of living. I've been told that having a military ID (giving you access to Anderson AFB commissary/BX) helps as far as lowering the cost of food, etc.

 

[Stugatz78]

For the 757/67 guys is there a separate side that does the international and hawaii flying? Or does everyone do everything? Does the 737 do the islands from lax or Frisco

 

[Flopgut]

Everyone does everything. 737 goes to Hawaiian Islands from LAX and Guam too with the island hopper (South Pacific).

 

[Guam360]

Everyone does everything. 737 goes to Hawaiian Islands from LAX and Guam too with the island hopper (South Pacific).

Guam or Micronesia, neither are in the south pacific

 

[Stugatz78]

Thank u for the info!

 

[Snaab]

Just curious of the current time frame(s) for people following the assessments for future calls/interview dates. Thanks!

 

[Mil Leave]

Thanks for the info everyone.

Can someone explain how Guam works. I've heard you get a $3,000 a month housing allowance. Do you also skip 1st year pay scale? (Rumor) How is it out in Guam? Is the $3,000 enough to find a nice place? Are you locked into the base for a certain time period? Do you need a car?

Thanks for the info

I believe second year pay is only when you sign up for a two year commitment. If you don't take the commitment you can bid back any time you want. Are you single or married without children? If you have kids, private school is probably a must. If you are worried about getting GUM as a new-hire...don't. It's only going to volunteers right now. That might change but with so many bids open in the states, I don't see this as a problem. When the hiring merry-go-round stops again, (let's hope it doesn't) that's when holding GUM could be an issue.
I don't know if 3K/MONTH will rent you a decent place. It would be interesting to know if they are opening Anderson's on base housing to retirees, reservists, etc. like in the CONUS. Could be a really good deal. Nice golf course too! -Mil

 

[densoo]

When the hiring merry-go-round stops again, (let's hope it doesn't) that's when holding GUM could be an issue.

Very much so. Also during furloughs and recalls watching where they draw the line intensely focuses the mind. The bottom 5 to 10 on the active list end up being non-vol to Guam.

 

[Andy]

Very much so. Also during furloughs and recalls watching where they draw the line intensely focuses the mind. The bottom 5 to 10 on the active list end up being non-vol to Guam.

That's why WE (the line employees) need to make sure our combined company doesn't fall apart. Management doesn't give a crap about the operation as long as they get paid.
None of us line employees wanted this merger but we will have to live with it for the rest of our careers. Management was more than happy to merge because it meant big bonuses for them. Most of whom have moved on to other airlines to destroy.

I've had the pleasure of flying with a lot of great LCAL crews - pilots, FAs, CSRs, ground crews - as a LUAL furloughee so I know that we can work together to make this THE airline that everyone wants to fly on.
Have there been a few who don't like us LUAL furloughees? Sure. Just like there are some LUAL employees who don't like LCAL employees. We need to tear down that wall. It'll take a while but I know that there are a lot of great LCAL and LUAL employees who will be able to drown out those who will go through the rest of their careers bitter over the merger.

As long as this company doesn't fall apart, we have more than 400 pilots/yr retiring, ensuring that any furloughs for the next 20 years will be extremely limited.

 

[RSRVWINDSURFR]

Great post, Andy-well said.