United forced out of T-8 at LAX

[lowecur]

This move will allow either an expansion at LAX for existing carriers, or a foot in the door for Jetblue. My guess Jetblue is fighting for the majority of gates at this terminal. This will allow them the to proceed with expansion of West Coast network that will include the deployment of the 190.

Hopefully this will set a precedent that is long overdue on the East Coast.

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http://www.dailybreeze.com/business/articles/8085757.html

 

[canyonblue]

Maybe you missed this sentence.............

That would open up an entire terminal for larger jetliners and could allow other airlines - most notably Southwest - to expand their operations at LAX.

 

[lowecur]

Maybe you missed this sentence.............

That would open up an entire terminal for larger jetliners and could allow other airlines - most notably Southwest - to expand their operations at LAX.

You should have retired with Bob Barker....punchdrunk! Just where do see any viability to SWA in having non contiguous terminals so far apart?

No, this will go to new entrants which will either be B6 or VA.

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[n25na]

sounds like a perfect opportunity for alaska to pass up

 

[johnsonrod]

Watch out here comes Virgin America!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

 

[pookie]

Who is currently using T8?

 

[HalinTexas]

USAir moves out of Terminal 1 over to the other side. SWA gets all of T1, ATA moves over there to take advantage of the feed.

 

[BID]

SWA really wanted those gates back when UAL was in BK. Then UAL pulled the turboprop card so as not to lose those gates.

Speaking of UAL LAX gates, I heard a rumor that CAL years ago had leased (sub leased i don't know) a couple of LAX gates to UAL and was going to get them back at the end of the year.

Anyone know anything of this?

 

[Yuppyguppy]

Kind of like Jetblue got slots to O'hare when the FAA told UA and AMR to reduce their flying. What a load of $hit. Your day is coming blue and soon. The precedent on the EAST COAST is that you were handed gates in NY by the politicians you didn't have a right to any of them.

 

[Dizel8]

Yuppyguppy,

jetblue got 8 slots in ORD, just eight, while UAL and AMR probably has more than 500 between them.

As for the gates on the east coast, they were not handed to us, but yes, they were some politicians that were helping us and that agreed with jetblue that JFK was underutilized. JFK used to be a ghost town, nobody wanted to serve it, other than Int'l.

 

[Saluki Dawg]

USAir moves out of Terminal 1 over to the other side. SWA gets all of T1, ATA moves over there to take advantage of the feed.

That's the way I see this going down as well. USAirways is a part of Star Alliance anyway, so they would be the logical choice to fill those vacated gates. That would give us about 4 more gates, which would give us about another 40 flights a day capacity out of Terminal 1.

 

[Mamma]

Well said!

sounds like a perfect opportunity for alaska to pass up

 

[iflyhigh]

Regarding Jetblue's gate in ORD. The gate E8 is the old AWA gate. Doug Parker gave it back to the city after the merger. This is where Jetblue got their gate from. Doug's encourages competition buy giving gates away.

 

[rayford steele]

Kind of like Jetblue got slots to O'hare when the FAA told UA and AMR to reduce their flying. What a load of $hit. Your day is coming blue and soon. The precedent on the EAST COAST is that you were handed gates in NY by the politicians you didn't have a right to any of them.

Very good Yuppyguppy. It looks like those free trial English Rosetta Stone CD's have paid off. You've managed to put together more than one sentence.....good boy! Now I'm not sure $hit in the dictionary though.

 

[Yuppyguppy]

The facts are the facts Ray...get over it!

 

[IronCityBlue]

Kind of like Jetblue got slots to O'hare when the FAA told UA and AMR to reduce their flying. What a load of $hit. Your day is coming blue and soon. The precedent on the EAST COAST is that you were handed gates in NY by the politicians you didn't have a right to any of them.

Long before JetBlue flew to ORD, the government was forced to step in and tell UAL and AA to reduce some flying out of there because they were both setting irresponsibile and unsustainable schedules. Two hour ground stops on severe clear days were the catalyst for that, not JetBlue's potential 8 slots a day. Nice try though.

So UAL and AA slightly reduce flying in comparison to their massive operations there and JetBlue gets 8 puny slots per day. This was no anti UAL/AA or pro JB conspiracy. Do you really think that one or two airlines can log jam a major airport to the point where the government has to step in and force them to dial it back a notch, and once they do then no other airlines are allowed in again, ever. Right.

As for us getting "handed" slots in NYC, again, you have no clue what you are talking about. The majors laughed at JFK. No one wants to fly there, everyone wants to be number 60 in line for takeoff from LGA or they don't want to go. Majors even sold tickets to customers to LGA to connect via JFK on their prescious 5:00 pm international bank and it was up to the customer to get there! So along comes JetBlue who recognises a HUGE untapped potential in JFK. We are successful there and all of the sudden every major is adding domestic capacity as fast as logistically possible to an airport they shunned for that purpose for decades, and somehow that in your mind equates to politicians "handing" us gates we "had no right to"? Again, nice try.

Or perhaps you are referring to Boston in your east coast example. An airport we never could have went into with the presence we have were it not for Delta building a half billion dollar terminal they didn't need just so Leo Mullin could impress his Boston alumni. They ABANDONED that terminal and we moved in. Oh yeah, right, it was the politicians that unfairly greased the skids there too. Right. Don't worry though, there's still gates available for you to add capacity. You just gotta do it in the A concourse. Nice digs though, really.

Sorry to throw the BS flag on ya, but that was a big ole swing and a miss. Next time you try to come hard to the paint you might want to bring a little better junk than that.:beer:

 

[Nado]

Iron City, you forgot about Long Beach and how B6 STOLE those gates and slots from American. No wait they were handed to jetBlue by politicians. I recall those are the same politicians that bought all of jetBlues planes and maintenance costs as well.

 

[bravodude]

Long before JetBlue flew to ORD, the government was forced to step in and tell UAL and AA to reduce some flying out of there because they were both setting irresponsibile and unsustainable schedules. Two hour ground stops on severe clear days were the catalyst for that, not JetBlue's potential 8 slots a day. Nice try though.

So UAL and AA slightly reduce flying in comparison to their massive operations there and JetBlue gets 8 puny slots per day. This was no anti UAL/AA or pro JB conspiracy. Do you really think that one or two airlines can log jam a major airport to the point where the government has to step in and force them to dial it back a notch, and once they do then no other airlines are allowed in again, ever. Right.

As for us getting "handed" slots in NYC, again, you have no clue what you are talking about. The majors laughed at JFK. No one wants to fly there, everyone wants to be number 60 in line for takeoff from LGA or they don't want to go. Majors even sold tickets to customers to LGA to connect via JFK on their prescious 5:00 pm international bank and it was up to the customer to get there! So along comes JetBlue who recognises a HUGE untapped potential in JFK. We are successful there and all of the sudden every major is adding domestic capacity as fast as logistically possible to an airport they shunned for that purpose for decades, and somehow that in your mind equates to politicians "handing" us gates we "had no right to"? Again, nice try.

Or perhaps you are referring to Boston in your east coast example. An airport we never could have went into with the presence we have were it not for Delta building a half billion dollar terminal they didn't need just so Leo Mullin could impress his Boston alumni. They ABANDONED that terminal and we moved in. Oh yeah, right, it was the politicians that unfairly greased the skids there too. Right. Don't worry though, there's still gates available for you to add capacity. You just gotta do it in the A concourse. Nice digs though, really.

Sorry to throw the BS flag on ya, but that was a big ole swing and a miss. Next time you try to come hard to the paint you might want to bring a little better junk than that.:beer:

Who laughed at JFK. If remember correctly and I do, Delta and AA both serve JFK. I have been using them to get to work for years. you guys are not the first airline to fly out of kennedy around the US. get over yourself.

 

[cal73cap]

SWA really wanted those gates back when UAL was in BK. Then UAL pulled the turboprop card so as not to lose those gates.

Speaking of UAL LAX gates, I heard a rumor that CAL years ago had leased (sub leased i don't know) a couple of LAX gates to UAL and was going to get them back at the end of the year.

Anyone know anything of this?

I heard this is the case. We want our old gates back.

 

[IronCityBlue]

Who laughed at JFK. If remember correctly and I do, Delta and AA both serve JFK. I have been using them to get to work for years. you guys are not the first airline to fly out of kennedy around the US. get over yourself.

Of course other airlines have flown out of JFK for decades. But before JetBlue came along, with the exception of the international push, JFK was a ghost town. Entire terminals sat vacant and domestic capacity was miniscule compared to everyone's beloved LGA and CAL's hub in EWR.

Jetblue took a huge risk building a large domestic hub out of JFK. That risk has paid off big time, and the last several years other majors have suddenly "realized" that the biggest and most underutilized (at the time) airport in the biggest travel market in the country (second biggest in the world) actually just might not be a bad idea afterall.

I'm not saying that JetBlue is the greatest thing since sliced bread, nor am I a kool aid drinking cheerleader. I call things like I see them, and have been more than critical of some of the things JetBlue has done/is doing. But when someone shoots from the hip about politicians handing us gates we never had a right to in New York, well, the BS flag gets thrown on the field. Oh and I can get over myself very easilly if you can. Any questions?

 

[Heavy Set]

Lowecur,

I thought you said Delta would lose T-5? Didn't you say Alaska would move in and Delta out? Your guesses are more often wrong than right.

 

[lowecur]

Lowecur,

I thought you said Delta would lose T-5? Didn't you say Alaska would move in and Delta out? Your guesses are more often wrong than right.

This is outrageous. I want this troublemaker banned from making anymore provocative comments.

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[737 Pylt]

JFK used to be a ghost town, nobody wanted to serve it, other than Int'l.

Say what????? This has to be the dumbest thing ever posted on flightinfo! Congrats....Now you and your man in the picture REALLY have something to be proud of!

737

 

[SpeedBird]

YGTBSM....Another JetBlue bashfest!

It looks like you B6 complainers still have some unresolved issues. I'd feel more sorry for your plight if you didn't represent airlines that operate out of the very same playbook that you accuse JetBlue of using...talk about your hipocrisy and selective memory born largely of ignorance.

Somebody wants to complain how about how poor little AA got "their slots" taken from them in LGB, yet I remember how ruthless AA was to tie up Legend in court and put their significance political influence to bear in draining this forgotten start-up's finances before they could even get their first flight away from the gate at DAL.

If I was five years younger I'd take a flamethrower to this place uke:

Oh and YuppyGuppy....Go F!@# Yourself too!

 

[Yuppyguppy]

Thanks for the nice quality post Speedbird. Right back at you loser.

 

[Dizel8]

Say what????? This has to be the dumbest thing ever posted on flightinfo! Congrats....Now you and your man in the picture REALLY have something to be proud of!

737

Okay, prove me wrong. Show me the airline service out of JFK in say 2000. When jetblue started there, it was not unusual to be the only a/c moving aound the airport.

 

[zkmayo]

In my opinion, JFK needs to be reslotted. Its no longer a 5pm bank time where things get jammed up. 2 hour taxies are the norm from 5-10pm daily. the only time to fly out of there now is the 7-11am timeframe. Whatever the FAA decides, the airport needs to be much more efficient.

 

[Dizel8]

looked up the airport data from the FAA and it certainly does show large growth at JFK, while LGA remained relatively level.



2000 Pax total Domestic Carrier Percent of US
LGA 12.7M 11.4M 1.79
JFK 16.1M 10.6M 2.3

2001
LGA 11.3 10.3 1.7
JFK 14.5 9.6 2.2

2002
LGA 11.0 9.7 1.7
JFK 14.5 9.9 2.2

2005
LGA 13.1 12.1 1.7
JFK 20.2 14.5 2.7

As a matter of fact, it is only recently that JFK has surpassed LGA in domestic enplanements. International enplanements has remained relatively level at JFK, while domestic has seen a large increase, almost 30% increase from 2000 to 2005, whereas LGA has seen about 1/3 less growth.

So I say yes, JFK has indeed become a very attractive airport for domestic only recently.

But hey, feel free to prove me wrong, after all, big D was flying some 30+ 757's in Song colours from JFK airport in 2000, right?

 

[MD80DRVR]

looked up the airport data from the FAA and it certainly does show large growth at JFK, while LGA remained relatively level.



2000 Pax total Domestic Carrier Percent of US
LGA 12.7M 11.4M 1.79
JFK 16.1M 10.6M 2.3

2001
LGA 11.3 10.3 1.7
JFK 14.5 9.6 2.2

2002
LGA 11.0 9.7 1.7
JFK 14.5 9.9 2.2

2005
LGA 13.1 12.1 1.7
JFK 20.2 14.5 2.7

As a matter of fact, it is only recently that JFK has surpassed LGA in domestic enplanements. International enplanements has remained relatively level at JFK, while domestic has seen a large increase, almost 30% increase from 2000 to 2005, whereas LGA has seen about 1/3 less growth.

So I say yes, JFK has indeed become a very attractive airport for domestic only recently.

But hey, feel free to prove me wrong, after all, big D was flying some 30+ 757's in Song colours from JFK airport in 2000, right?

Hee...hee...he

Kind of hard to dispute cold hard facts..

 

[rayford steele]

The facts are the facts Ray...get over it!

You were doing so well. Keep trying you can do it.