United buys 40 EMB175s

[bpapaDC8]

The 570 were trained before the strike. Management's plan was have them cross the line along with the predicted droves of UAL line pilots that would follow. Unfortunately, only 6% of line pilots struck and almost all of the 570 struck.

They are far from what any rational person would characterize as scabs.

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[CRJ puppy]

Wave:

I have a question for you. What do you believe is the reason that SWA does not operate RJ's? I have my own ideas but would like to hear what you think.

Regards,
Fr8-

Simple. Boeing doesn't make a 737 that small!!

 

[Flopgut]

Hey I'm a fan. Mostly you post good stuff, doesn't mean I agree all the time but it's interesting. Not counting the high water thing.

As for the rest you have to get your numbers straight. The 539 are scabs ie they did turn a wheel. The group I think you are referring to is the 550 which I would say about half of them would have crossed.

I agree with and appreciate what you post most of the time as well. I have not met an Eastern guy I didn't like. I'm right around the seniority level of a large number of them that I've known since I got here. So no matter the dialog we have on here, in the back of my mind I envision you're part of a real sharp group.

 

[AWACoff]

The 570 were trained before the strike. Management's plan was have them cross the line along with the predicted droves of UAL line pilots that would follow. Unfortunately, only 6% of line pilots struck and almost all of the 570 struck.

They are far from what any rational person would characterize as scabs.

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Fair enough. I didn't realize the timeline was as such. Thanks for the link.

 

[jonjuan]

If those 570 had been at CAL, they would be on the Master List. Anybody who started class at CAL in '83 to '85 during the strike is a scab. At LUAL during their strike, you were only a scab if you turned a wheel.

That being said, which airline currently has more scabs per the LCAL definition?

I found it surprising that the LCAL definition was more strict than those "hardcore" unionists at UAL. Guess you can't believe much of what you hear through the grapevine.

Don't forget the scabs kids, many of whom l-cal picked up with reaaalll low time.

 

[Flopgut]

The 570 were trained before the strike. Management's plan was have them cross the line along with the predicted droves of UAL line pilots that would follow. Unfortunately, only 6% of line pilots struck and almost all of the 570 struck.

They are far from what any rational person would characterize as scabs.

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The 570 were new hires in the face of an emminent strike, and I think most of them knew that getting hired and training when they did, mgt hired them to cross the picket line. Kuddos to them for not getting off the bus and crossing the line, BUT their actions up to that point would have put them on the CAL list. (from what we all know about the CAL strike) That was 85. In 86 when the Frontier acquisition was being planned, it was mainly the 570 (others too) who went to UAL ALPA leadership and insisted that they deserved better than to allow Frontier pilots in with any seniority. So, even though all Frontier pilots honored the picket line, they were dropped to make the 570s happy. (no other way to do it. ALPA Merger OR fragmentation policy, either would have given the Frontier pilots more than the 570 were comfortable with) That's how these pilots have been captains forever. That's also what set the example for the proposed actions UAL planned for USAir and America West in the late 90s. BTW: You won't read this in Flying the Line. BUT, you can bet each arbitrator remembers. They were set to handle Frontier/UAL SLI.

So here we are now, L-UAL ALPA thinks merger policy [longevity] is great once again. For that 1000 or so hired after 1986: You wouldn't have that longevity if UAL ALPA had done the right thing by merger policy in the first place.

 

[Flopgut]

The Frontier pilots were integrated into Continental by Nicalau. In fact, L-UAL's current SLI opener holds up that specific integration as an example they feel helps their case. How arrogant can you get?!

*edit* I will admit, I think that SLI example is there because it's valid. It was done right. I imagine the arbitrators find this in equally poor taste as any of us who remember what UAL ALPA did, however I don't think they will factor it in as it's only going to really hurt the very junior, who've been hurt enough.

 

[Flopgut]

Don't forget the scabs kids, many of whom l-cal picked up with reaaalll low time.

I don't know of one who had less time than UAL interns.

 

[BrickTop]

With 70 large RJs on order, UAL can't even add the last couple of them until a Small narrow body aircraft is placed on property. UAL is already hiring like gangbusters, wait til they add the SNB aircraft.

SCOPE CHOKE!

Well done UAL/CAL MECs!

You must also believe there is a pilot shortage?

 

[Continental]

You must also believe there is a pilot shortage?

Feed em to the pigs Harold!

 

[Jon Rivoli]

The smallest narrow body a legacy will ever fly is a 737-800.

 

[johnsonrod]

No C-Series S100/300??????? What about the 100-120 seat gap?

I guess Delta has that plugged with the 717 and USAiways/AA already uses the E190 - but what about UAL?

 

[Jon Rivoli]

No C-Series S100/300??????? What about the 100-120 seat gap?

I guess Delta has that plugged with the 717 and USAiways/AA already uses the E190 - but what about UAL?

We'll see how long that lasts. The cost structure of a Legacy can't support an aircraft that size.

I hear Delta is already beginning to understand why SWA was eager to dump the 717's. It has a common type rating with the DC-9/MD-80, but that is where the commonality ends. They will disappear in the next bankruptcy, when the refinery gets sold off too.

Airways has 20 190's and they aren't getting any more. I expect that they will go away before too long. Those pilots could be generating 50% more revenue flying something else.

 

[Full of LUV]

The smallest narrow body a legacy will ever fly is a 737-800.

What about the Delta 717's?

 

[General Lee]

The smallest narrow body a legacy will ever fly is a 737-800.

Uhhhhhhhh, DL is getting 88 717s........not a regional. And DL is dumping 215 50 seaters.


Bye Bye---General Lee

 

[General Lee]

We'll see how long that lasts. The cost structure of a Legacy can't support an aircraft that size.

I hear Delta is already beginning to understand why SWA was eager to dump the 717's. It has a common type rating with the DC-9/MD-80, but that is where the commonality ends. They will disappear in the next bankruptcy, when the refinery gets sold off too.

Airways has 20 190's and they aren't getting any more. I expect that they will go away before too long. Those pilots could be generating 50% more revenue flying something else.

Jon is on dope again! In the next BK? You mean Skw's BK? Thanks to consolidation, the 3 remaining legacies are stronger than ever. So Jon, will those E175s pay the same as the CR9s? How much does that plane max out on per hour? Put down the pipe, Jon....


Bye Bye---General Lee

 

[Russ]

Stronger than ever? As compared to a few years ago, yes, than ever, no.

 

[General Lee]

Stronger than ever? As compared to a few years ago, yes, than ever, no.

Consolidation plus bag/change fees have changed the game. Even in a down economy, most legacies were profitable. As the economy tries to recover, it will get even better for the legacies.


Bye Bye---General Lee

 

[flyboyike]

Consolidation plus bag/change fees have changed the game. Even in a down economy, most legacies were profitable. As the economy tries to recover, it will get even better for the legacies.

Bankruptcy is not always a sign of weakness. Not of real weakness anyway.

 

[Jon Rivoli]

Uhhhhhhhh, DL is getting 88 717s........not a regional. And DL is dumping 215 50 seaters.


Bye Bye---General Lee

And you will operate them at a loss until you ditch them.

I don't need dope, I'm happy and content. Rather than throw my life away chasing a pipe dream and ejoying the joys of juniority, commuting halfway across the country and missing out on my kids growing up, I'm diversifying my income so that in a few years I won't need to fly.

The thought of having to sit next to a tool like you for 8 hours so that I can spend $10 for a beer in some exotic location before wasting more of my life in a hotel, anywhere, just doesn't appeal to me, even if I get to fly a real airplane.

Bye Bye!