Union coming at Flexjet!

[Dooker]

Don't take the troll's bait. Put him on "ignore" and be done with it. You'll never convince him of anything and he'll never sway you and it's not like his posts are interesting or even funny so why bother even reading them?

 

[dime line]

Everybody needs to remember something about B-19 and the majority of all airline management,

They have contracts with their employers,

But he is against the employee having a contract

 

[jonjuan]

Everybody needs to remember something about B-19 and the majority of all airline management,

They have contracts with their employers,

But he is against the employee having a contract

doesn't the flex guys have a pension/profit sharing or 401k match or did the company take it away?

 

[captain007]

Those 495 know they were sacrificed to protect the contract and all those senior pilots.

Since when do you speak for me? And where do you get off thinking you know what I or the other 481 furloughees think?

That's some nerve B19. I've watched your ramblings for some time but have never chimed in. I've allowed you the right the speak your mind at will. However, do not assume that you speak for me or even remotely think you know how I feel.



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[imacdog]

B19 never fails to amaze.

 

[HiSpeedFlyer]

Don't take the troll's bait. Put him on "ignore" and be done with it. You'll never convince him of anything and he'll never sway you and it's not like his posts are interesting or even funny so why bother even reading them?

Dooker, You are 100% correct.

I let this {censored} bother me, when I am much better than that and expect to hold myself to a much higher regard.

 

[exagony]

Dooker, You are 100% correct.

I let this {censored} bother me, when I am much better than that and expect to hold myself to a much higher regard.

TTC CB!!!

Doom on Dickie!

 

[wacoflyr]

Everybody needs to remember something about B-19 and the majority of all airline management,

They have contracts with their employers,

But he is against the employee having a contract

That's a great question. Let's ask it directly.

Hey, B19. Do you have a contract with your employer?

A simple yes or no will suffice.

 

[warlord19]

Flexjet has been around for 15 years, and I've been with them for 10+
years. Bombardier(owner of Flexjet) has had unionized workers for
many decades, so if Flexjet votes a union in, it won't be that big a
deal. What will be affected is our ability to compete, estrangement
from management, and inevetible decline as the "union mentality"
takes over the pilot group and we lose the need to give our customers
our best 'cause the union "has our back". If there is a need for a
union at Flex, by all means vote one in. But every Flex pilot that
visits this board knows that the company treats them fairly and that
it's a great place to work(it's not perfect by any means..show me a business that is). And if you want to see what out-of-control unions have done to our children and competitiveness, just turn on your TV or visit your local public school.
WL

 

[fracjack]

Flexjet has been around for 15 years, and I've been with them for 10+
years. Bombardier(owner of Flexjet) has had unionized workers for
many decades, so if Flexjet votes a union in, it won't be that big a
deal. What will be affected is our ability to compete, estrangement
from management, and inevetible decline as the "union mentality"
takes over the pilot group and we lose the need to give our customers
our best 'cause the union "has our back". If there is a need for a
union at Flex, by all means vote one in. But every Flex pilot that
visits this board knows that the company treats them fairly and that
it's a great place to work(it's not perfect by any means..show me a business that is). And if you want to see what out-of-control unions have done to our children and competitiveness, just turn on your TV or visit your local public school.
WL

You could have an industry leading contract like FLOPS after 4 years of turmoil.

 

[jonjuan]

You could have an industry leading contract like FLOPS after 4 years of turmoil.

Aren't they paid the worst and have the worst benefits compared to citationshares and fx with 0 union(retirement, health, etc) and have more furloughs?

 

[DirtyBeech]

What will be affected is our ability to compete, estrangement
from management, and inevetible decline as the "union mentality"
takes over the pilot group and we lose the need to give our customers
our best 'cause the union "has our back".

We've elected not to compete. We're happy being 2nd or 3rd best. The pilot group is already estranged from management. The only reason we're still afloat is that the pilot group has been giving it's best to cover for the Waterview's numerous shortcomings, and as yet it's gone largely unnoticed by our owners. There will be a tipping point if left unchecked. Suggesting that service will decline with a CBA is a reach. Is it possible? Yes. Is it probable on our current path without a union? Yes. Will there be some self satisfied individuals who'll rest on their laurels with a contract and mail it in? Yes. Let me suggest that we are in the customer service industry and that by treating your employees like owners instead of chits to moved around will that you will improve their happiness and service. Really, it's up to our us to elect good individuals to represent us fairly for both the company and the pilot group.

But every Flex pilot that
visits this board knows that the company treats them fairly and that
it's a great place to work

Wrong. Good people to work with generally. Hard company to work for usually.

 

[exagony]

Flexjet has been around for 15 years, and I've been with them for 10+
years. Bombardier(owner of Flexjet) has had unionized workers for
many decades, so if Flexjet votes a union in, it won't be that big a
deal. What will be affected is our ability to compete, estrangement
from management, and inevetible decline as the "union mentality"
takes over the pilot group and we lose the need to give our customers
our best 'cause the union "has our back". If there is a need for a
union at Flex, by all means vote one in. But every Flex pilot that
visits this board knows that the company treats them fairly and that
it's a great place to work(it's not perfect by any means..show me a business that is). And if you want to see what out-of-control unions have done to our children and competitiveness, just turn on your TV or visit your local public school.
WL

I see management has seen fit to put msgs on this board.... Company treats us fairly? Ask the 604 pilots who failed checkrides when they transitioned to the Lears.... Instructor with a chip on his shoulder because he wanted to fly a 604 - the pilots(who were hired into the 604) lost their jobs but the instructor still works here (albeit on the line). How about when someone writes msgs to chief pilots to point out things that are wrong or can improve the company's operation - they are called into the office for a meeting - never a pleasant one (do I sense "hostile working environment") How about a scheduling dept that goes out of its way to ensure you get home as late as possible on your last day... the old "we own you for 16 hours... funny how one can go out for a week and have early morning shows/not alot of flying all week until last day of rotation and then its 2 or 3 legs before airline home and 15-16 hour day. How about the creative "interpretation" of the FOM mgt likes to impose on us. Best yet - what about a chief pilot who openly says "if you don't like it - leave" when someone questions policies that the office comes up with out of the blue.... Yeah I guess you're right we don't need anyone looking out for our needs....

 

[jetwash]

Flexjet has been ........
WL

warlord19 = B19?

Has anyone noticed that warlord 19 just popped up on this board a short time ago and almost all his posts are anti-union.
It looks like Flex management has hired themselves a union busting law firm and the PR campaign has started.

 

[Helmsalee]

As a furloughed NJ pilot, I am disgusted the B19 thinks he can speak for me. HE DOES NOT!
Helm
BTW, he is on my ignore list, but some of you insist on quoting him.