Unical SLI is out...

[JetsRforKids]

It's out... on ALPA website...

 

[joevollers]

It appears to be an overloaded server...

 

[Phrogs4ever]

https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/12152099/CALUAL%20ISL%20Award%20Exhibit%20A%209.3.13.pdf

 

[whymeworry?]

WOW! I got slaughtered. :smash:

Que my UAL "brother" to tell me how lucky I am to have a job.

 

[General Lee]

Was there a ratio used? Where would a 98 UAL guy be in relation to a CAL guy? Give us a comparison please.


Bye Bye---General Lee

 

[Crucianpilot]

Looks like the whole bottom third was slaughtered. UNF believable!

 

[johnsonrod]

Looks like the whole bottom third was slaughtered. UNF believable!

Slaughtered? You mean bottom 1/3 of CAL stapled to te bottom? Can you clarify? Were there any aircraft fences?

 

[whatitdoing?]

Bottom 1/3 got absolutely murdered.

 

[B6Busdriver]

Were the furloughees stapled to the bottom?

 

[Furloughed80]

Were there any aircraft fences?

787 fenced for CAL. 747/350 for UAL. For 5 years or until the 25th 787 is delivered. Fence starts first bid period after list is issued. This is my understanding of the award.

 

[Furloughed80]

Were the furloughees stapled to the bottom?

They went 65% status category 35% longevity; so no, furloughees were not stapled.

 

[Continental]

Wow am I even employed now? Bottom 1/3 cal side absolutely destroyed.

 

[pilotgolfer]

Looks like the whole bottom third was slaughtered. UNF believable!

Just a few data points...

a April 2007 CAL hire is senior to a Jan 1999 UAL hire.

I'm a Sep 2007 UAL hire and I have 31 CAL pilots junior to me. The CAL guy one senior to me was hired 2/26/2008. Its about what I expected....my only goal was to be senior to the mesa POS cp Iranian....I got my wish.

Good night...the sun will come out tomorrow.

 

[redflyer65]

Looks like the whole bottom third was slaughtered. UNF believable!

That's absolutely impossible.

The General says it's the best and fairest way to do things. Is it possible he's wrong? Wow, who would have thought.

 

[abefly]

Just a few data points...

a April 2007 CAL hire is senior to a Jan 1999 UAL hire.

I'm a Sep 2007 UAL hire and I have 31 CAL pilots junior to me. The CAL guy one senior to me was hired 2/26/2008. Its about what I expected....my only goal was to be senior to the mesa POS cp Iranian....I got my wish.

Good night...the sun will come out tomorrow.

Triple chin?

 

[list2002]

Furloughed UAL guy now = captain... with a 36% pay raise above previous contract. I get a sh!t sandwich. As trolling as AirMike has been through this he was balls on about the contract AND the merger outcome.

 

[pilotgolfer]

Triple chin?

Triple out of court sexual harassment law suit MF. Parks his Porsche in front of the pool at the del rio to pick up new hire FAs and then makes their life unbearable when they shoot him down...yea, that one.

 

[catIIIc]

I am a Jan 2006 hire at CAL and I am slotted with a Sep 98 hire at UAL

 

[pianoman]

Furloughed UAL guy now = captain... with a 36% pay raise above previous contract. I get a sh!t sandwich. As trolling as AirMike has been through this he was balls on about the contract AND the merger outcome.

I don't think any furloughed U guys are holding captain. They are just junior to this 737 FO.

 

[nimtz]

UAL side had the better arguement. It feels good to say CAL's bottom third got slaughtered, but the award clearly indicates CAL's merger committee put forth a ludicrous proposal. Nope I'm not going to hold capt in 6 months, but I'm senior to the guy who helped me get my instrument rating in 1995 that was hired at UAL in '99. Doesn't sound like a hose job too me. Time marches on esp for those 60-64.9999 years old.

 

[PCL_128]

That's absolutely impossible.

The General says it's the best and fairest way to do things. Is it possible he's wrong? Wow, who would have thought.

Nope, the General was right, as usual. A reasonable list was constructed using a combination of longevity and category and status, with an emphasis on category and status. You know, exactly the kind of award that scared you and the rest of SWAPA to death of arbitration.

 

[Furloughed80]

Can anyone give me the month/year of hire of the most junior UA pilot that was never involuntarily furloughed?

 

[redflyer65]

Nope, the General was right, as usual. A reasonable list was constructed using a combination of longevity and category and status, with an emphasis on category and status. You know, exactly the kind of award that scared you and the rest of SWAPA to death of arbitration.

You've got the wrong guy PCL.

I was never scared of arby. What did you bring? Parking passes? Please.

 

[Flopgut]

Wherever you are on the CAL list, doesn't matter. Considering ALPA and especially L-UAL ALPA's history, you won. Might sting a bit, but none of us got put on the street. Don't ever think that was not a possibility.

 

[whymeworry?]

Yup, it stings... bad. But nothing I can do about it. So we move on.

Not much faith in the arbitration process from where I sit though. I haven't read their explanation yet but the numbers don't lie. I did read all the transcripts and it seemed to me like the CAL MC did an outstanding job.

Congrats to the UAL guys, you threw a Hail Mary pass and it paid off. The slaughtering is pretty astounding though. Block and blocks of UAL guys ahead of ours for most of the list.

But like I said, nothing I can do about it. It is what it is at this point.

 

[SoCentralRain]

Yup, it stings... bad. But nothing I can do about it. So we move on.

Not much faith in the arbitration process from where I sit though. I haven't read their explanation yet but the numbers don't lie. I did read all the transcripts and it seemed to me like the CAL MC did an outstanding job.

Congrats to the UAL guys, you threw a Hail Mary pass and it paid off. The slaughtering is pretty astounding though. Block and blocks of UAL guys ahead of ours for most of the list.

But like I said, nothing I can do about it. It is what it is at this point.

Read all 57 pages of the opinion and then consider whether or not the CAL atty's did "an outstanding job."

My favorite quote from page 22: "Not surprisingly, the ISL produced by the CAL Committee's fatally defective methodology is neither fair nor equitable."

That about sums it up.

See you out on the line.

SCR

 

[Furloughed80]

The slaughtering is pretty astounding though.

CAL '05/'06 hires merged in with UAL '98 hires is a 'slaughtering'?

 

[General Lee]

You've got the wrong guy PCL.

I was never scared of arby. What did you bring? Parking passes? Please.

Ahahaha! Check out Red's ego! What a dooshe. How many 737-700s and -800 options did they bring over, and yet they didn't get one 737 Capt slot? Wow! Doooooshe!


Bye Bye---General Lee

 

[redflyer65]

General,

Here's some homework for you on your 5 day trip coming up..

Compare and contrast the 737 order book at both Southwest vs AirTran.

Let us know.

You'll get extra credit for being a tool of course. Full Steam Ahead!

 

[whatitdoing?]

Wherever you are on the CAL list, doesn't matter. Considering ALPA and especially L-UAL ALPA's history, you won. Might sting a bit, but none of us got put on the street. Don't ever think that was not a possibility.

I don't feel like I won. I feel like I did a round with Tyson, then got passed around for cigarettes at San Quentin. And who says people that were close to upgrade now face being out on the street when a hiccup comes along? Ie Syria......Mideast blows up.