Unfortunately CAL will lose it's 50 seat scope.

[doh]

That is why you have to be willing to go to the wall if you want to fix this mess.

 

[rtmcfi]

Obviously, you know nothing. Start looking for another career. Your RJ job is going to be gone over the next few years.

Looks like you fly big stuff. Enjoy your raise at your co-workers expense. The only way you all get back the rj is by burning the place down. Not gonna happen. You will be OK. Narrow body folks.......not so much. Save this post, and look at it again in 5 years. United already parked their 73s, Continentals smaller 73s are next.

 

[Jetjockey]

Looks like you fly big stuff. Enjoy your raise at your co-workers expense. The only way you all get back the rj is by burning the place down. Not gonna happen. You will be OK. Narrow body folks.......not so much. Save this post, and look at it again in 5 years. United already parked their 73s, Continentals smaller 73s are next.

They way mainline gets it back is holding the line on CAL's scope. As the economics become untenable for 50 seaters...they dwindle. Even if the new JCBA allows 70 seaters, I seriously doubt there will be any more ground given. Who says mainline has to "give up" anything?

This is not a concessionary environment. RJ operators have reached their high point. The decline has been in progress for over a year (consolidation is survival of the fittest). Mainline scope is the only thing preventing ALL domestic flying from being outsourced to regional airlines. You really think mainline pilots will allow more jobs to be outsourced? Guess again.

Whether you realized or not, the RJ is getting squeezed on one end by economics and the high CASM, and scope limiting seat increase on the other end.

 

[mamba20]

Whether you realized or not, the RJ is getting squeezed on one end by economics and the high CASM, and scope limiting seat increase on the other end.

I love a good 3 way.

 

[TheAlchemist]

They way mainline gets it back is holding the line on CAL's scope. As the economics become untenable for 50 seaters...they dwindle. Even if the new JCBA allows 70 seaters, I seriously doubt there will be any more ground given. Who says mainline has to "give up" anything?

This is not a concessionary environment. RJ operators have reached their high point. The decline has been in progress for over a year (consolidation is survival of the fittest). Mainline scope is the only thing preventing ALL domestic flying from being outsourced to regional airlines. You really think mainline pilots will allow more jobs to be outsourced? Guess again.

Whether you realized or not, the RJ is getting squeezed on one end by economics and the high CASM, and scope limiting seat increase on the other end.

We can all dream...but not likely to unfold like that.

 

[Flopgut]

Sorry to burst your bubble gramps, but it's not my wet dream, it's my nightmare. Yours too. I'm beting you are pretty junior. I'm gonna get stuck at a regional flying 100 seaters, and your gonna get furloughed. I hope and pray I am wrong, but nothing has de-railed the rjs "manifest destiny" yet. The same mentaility that allowed the RJs to be flown by outsourced pilots will liely prevail. The upper half of the seniority list will have their pay and work rules restored. The lower half of the seniority lists will get to throw gear for me (yet again), or leave the industry. Good luck to us all.

That's not the reality we have on this specific issue. It's a convenient way of rationalizing it's ok to campaign for someone else's job. The current, concessionary CAL contract protected as much for the top half as it did the bottom half. (froze the pension and protected 50 seat jet scope) That's not different from what the CAL and UAL groups are trying to do going forward. What IS different is that there are bunch of regional pilots who parade around with "guppy killer" stickers on their bags and fly 70 seat airplanes for the same rate as 50s. Not all of them, but too many of them. And as noble as you think [hope] your post might indicate you are on the issue, I really don't think any of us can trust you. We'll see what happens if we win.

 

[rtmcfi]

That's not the reality we have on this specific issue. It's a convenient way of rationalizing it's ok to campaign for someone else's job. The current, concessionary CAL contract protected as much for the top half as it did the bottom half. (froze the pension and protected 50 seat jet scope) That's not different from what the CAL and UAL groups are trying to do going forward. What IS different is that there are bunch of regional pilots who parade around with "guppy killer" stickers on their bags and fly 70 seat airplanes for the same rate as 50s. Not all of them, but too many of them. And as noble as you think [hope] your post might indicate you are on the issue, I really don't think any of us can trust you. We'll see what happens if we win.

I am not asking you to trust me, as I certainly don't trust the Sr mainline folks to clean up the mess they, and their predecesors made. Continental Pilots were smart to keep the 50 seat scope. United........well, we all know how that worked out. There are roughly 4700 continental pilots. United has about 7700. United has shown a propensity to eat their young. Check out the narrow body work rules vs. those of the wide bodies. The UAL pilots will control this thing, and I am afraid the continental folks, along with their good scope are along for the ride. Good luck with the 70 seat arbitration. I sincerely mean that.

 

[clr4theapch]

Moderator note: Some members have a short memory, or just refuse to follow the very simple and basic rules we enforce here on Flight Info..

Stop the personal attacks, stop the creative swearing, including the use of Initials to spell out swearing sentences.. Suspensions are out.. repeat offenders are leaving us for good.. Please keep it civil, I don't care what point of view you have or what you say.. "as long as you say it nicely"

Thank you .. Clr4 ....mod

 

[chppr5]

I am not asking you to trust me, as I certainly don't trust the Sr mainline folks to clean up the mess they, and their predecesors made. Continental Pilots were smart to keep the 50 seat scope. United........well, we all know how that worked out. There are roughly 4700 continental pilots. United has about 7700. United has shown a propensity to eat their young. Check out the narrow body work rules vs. those of the wide bodies. The UAL pilots will control this thing, and I am afraid the continental folks, along with their good scope are along for the ride. Good luck with the 70 seat arbitration. I sincerely mean that.

Tell us "All knowing one"...what are the work rules for the NB vs WB at UAL? CAL didn't have to face a BK judge this decade so it was a bit easier to hold on to scope.

 

[Jetjockey]

No rmtcfi..... you've got it backwards. The regionals are along for the ride. You and anyone else who flies for a regional airline will fly what mainline scope allows. You seem to know how the combined pilots group will vote. So the regionals have long terms deals. I don't think it's a drop in the bucket compared to multiple billion dollar revenues, and the prospect of disrupting via mainline self- help.

You are assuming what happened in the past will be exactly how it plays out in the future. The concession stand is closed, and so goes your hope of flying a bigger "rj".