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Uncle lies...A lot!

Vinny

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Deposition of K.R. taken upon cross-examination and given for The United States District Court for the Northern District of Ohio, Eastern Division, in April of 2004:

Q. Do you have any military service?
A. Yes.
Q. In what branch?
A. In the Air Force.
Q. When was that?
A. I was in the Air Force ROTC program from 1974 to
1977.
Q. That's while you were at Notre Dame?
A. Yes, it is.
Q. Any service in the military after you graduated
from Notre Dame?
A. No.

I find these answers interesting especially in light of this interview which K.R. gave to WKYC Cleveland in 2012, regarding his company Nextant Aerospace, in which he makes the following statement:

"I'm an innovator in just my field, aviation, which I learned to love in the Air Force."


Here is a link to the WKYC article, you can find that statement 13 paragraphs down in this:

http://archive.wkyc.com/rss/article/260899/45/See-the-Possible--Nextant-Aerospace

Also, listen to the audio portion, 45 seconds into it, this statement is made, "Nextant is the creation of native Clevelander K.R. who learned about flying in the Air Force."

Yes, of course there's more. Check out page 8 of this (link below) where K.R. is introduced this way. "K. R. loved aviation but not the uncertainty of the industry. An Air Force-trained pilot, his brief stint working for a commercial airline ended when he was furloughed."

http://thefedeligroup.com/media/19215/fedeli_factor_2012.pdf

So it seems K.R. has been engaging in what has commonly been referred to as "Stolen Valor".

This is from a Wikipedia article about Military Imposters (underscore added for emphasis):

A military imposter is a person who makes false claims about his or her military service in civilian life. This includes claims by people that have never been in the military as well as lies or embellishments by genuine veterans, and also includes wearing uniforms or medals that were never issued. In the United States since the early 2000s, the term "stolen valor" has become popular slang for this kind of behavior, so named for the 1998 book of that name.

Motivations

Reasons for posing as a member of the military or exaggerating one's service record vary, but the intent is almost always about gaining the respect and admiration of others. Philosophy professor Verna V. Gehring describes such people as "virtue imposters," in that they don't necessarily adopt the identity of another person, but instead adopt a false history for themselves to impersonate virtues and characteristics. Many are only motivated by social recognition, attempting to exploit the reverence and respect for veterans in their country. These individuals often become absorbed in a fantasy of being a veteran that they attempt to live out in real life, sometimes even inserting themselves into public events or ceremonies, or volunteering for interviews with journalists about their alleged experiences. Others are motivated by more direct gains, such as impressing employers, casting directors, audiences, investors, voters in political campaigns or romantic interests.

Notable military imposters

Jesse Macbeth - anti-war activist who claimed to be an Army Ranger and veteran of the Iraq War. In reality he was discharged from the Army after only 44 days for being "unfit for duty." Confessed in federal court after being charged with possessing a forged or altered military discharge certificate and making false statements in seeking benefits from the Veterans Administration.

Micah Wright - Author and anti-war activist who claimed to be an Army Ranger involved in the United States invasion of Panama and several other special operations. He was an ROTC student in college, but never took a cosmission and never served in the military. Confessed an apologized online after learning an expose was being written.

Shall we add K.R. to the list?
 
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Where's warlord? I can't believe he hasn't jumped on this thread!
 

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Yes why are you posting this Vinny??? Everybody already knows his word is no good-even when its in writing.
 

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Appreciate you asking about me Duh. Actually, I'm fixin to fly a few legs today.
Cheers
 

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Appreciate you asking about me Duh. Actually, I'm fixin to fly a few legs today.
Cheers

So no rebuttal? That tells us all we need to know.
 

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Name calling is not a rebuttal. Tell us about Kenn's military service. I'd love to hear your apology for that one.
 

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It's not a lie if you believe it. It's a delusion. I was at the TC meeting in Feb and heard him say "military trained" myself. I was in the CAP for a bit back in junior high so I guess I'm military trained too!

Everything he's done so far is a delusion based on his belief that he is all knowing and whatever he touches turns to gold.

Can anyone verify the rumor that he cannot do business in Texas due to prior malfeasance of some sort? Don't have any details beyond that but I'm curious if that's part of the reason ops are moving to CGF when it was said along they would remain separate.
 

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Can anyone verify the rumor that he cannot do business in Texas due to prior malfeasance of some sort? Don't have any details beyond that but I'm curious if that's part of the reason ops are moving to CGF when it was said along they would remain separate.


Can't verify it or even have any knowledge of that, in terms of him and business.
But we all knew at Options, that was one of his biggest lies. There wasn't any question what so ever that the Ops would be shut down and moved to CGF. It was more of a matter of when he would do it.
 

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Come on warlord, tell all about Kenn's extensive military flight training. You have all the answers. I can't wait to hear this one.
 

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Can anyone verify the rumor that he cannot do business in Texas due to prior malfeasance of some sort?

Please don't exaggerate the situation. He can do business, but not as a lawyer. He was either disbarred or prohibited from taking the bar exam in Texas. I don't remember the exact reason but it was over 15 years ago.
 

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Please don't exaggerate the situation. He can do business, but not as a lawyer. He was either disbarred or prohibited from taking the bar exam in Texas. I don't remember the exact reason but it was over 15 years ago.

Did he ever pass the bar exam? It's in all his written bios that he graduated from Cleveland State's law school, so assume that's true. But never seen in writing that he actually passed the Ohio bar, just verbal statements about being a lawyer. Would love to know the truth about that, and about his 'airline time' with TWA, 'cause those times just don't add up.

He doesn't show up here, and that database includes active and inactive attorneys in the state (who haven't been disbarred). Curious.
http://www.supremecourt.ohio.gov/AttySvcs/AttyReg/Public_AttorneyInformation.asp
 
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Lawyer, Air Force Pilot,+ whatever else he dreams about. He can sure generate millions in profit. I just hope he doesn't get caught before I can retire. Unfortunately Pinkas got caught holding the bag last time.
 

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Lawyer, Air Force Pilot,+ whatever else he dreams about. He can sure generate millions in profit. I just hope he doesn't get caught before I can retire. Unfortunately Pinkas got caught holding the bag last time.

Amazing how he comes through all his ventures smiling and with more $, while his partners and investors often take it in the shorts. Brantley (Pinkas' group), RTN, Macquarie - seems there's always a mark to take the short end. This time it looks like it'll be the pilot group. At least the paychecks have always cashed, gotta give him that - even small as they are nowadays.
 

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K.R.'s recent lies (claiming to be an Air Force trained pilot) and misdeeds (breaking federal law; again) bring to mind parallels with "The People of the Lie", a study of malignant narcissism by Dr. M. Scott Peck. During his carrier as a psychiatrist, Dr. Peck encountered several clients whose malignant narcissism didn't quite fit the categories of the Psychiatric Diagnostic Manual. In his book "People of the Lie" looks in depth at the characteristics of these individuals.

Although Peck is a professing Christian he's not exploring evil in a biblical sense. Instead he is presenting evil as a diagnosis, as an explanation for these peoples' pathology. His concept of evil offers a useful paradigm for understanding K. R. and other abusive leaders. Here are some quotations from the book, see if any of this sounds familiar?

It is necessary that we first draw the distinction between evil and ordinary sin. It is not their sins per se that characterize evil people...The central defect of the evil is not the sin but the refusal to acknowledge it.

If evil people cannot be defined by the illegality of their deeds or the magnitude of their sins, then how are we to define them? The answer is by the consistency of their sins. While usually subtle, their destructiveness is remarkably consistent.

The evil hate the light--the light of goodness that shows them up, the light of scrutiny that exposes them, the light of truth that penetrates their deception. Rather than blissfully lacking a sense of morality, like the sociopath, they are continually engaged in sweeping the evidence of their evil under the rug of their own consciousness.

The poor in spirit do not commit evil. Evil is not committed by people who feel uncertain about their righteousness, who question their own motives, who worry about betraying themselves. The evil in this world is committed by the spiritual fat cats, by the Pharisees of our own day, the self-righteous who think they are without sin because they are unwilling to suffer the discomfort of significant self-examination.

Utterly dedicated to preserving their self-image of perfection, [the evil] are unceasingly engaged in the effort to maintain the appearance of moral purity. They worry about this a great deal. They are acutely sensitive to social norms and what others might think of them. Outwardly [they] seem to live lives that are above reproach. The words "image." "appearance," and "outwardly" are crucial to understanding the morality of the evil.

[Evil is] the use of power to destroy the spiritual growth of others for the purpose of defending and preserving the integrity of our own sick selves. In short, it is scapegoating. A predominant characteristic...of the behavior of those I call evil is scapegoating. Because in their hearts they consider themselves above reproach, they must lash out at any one who does reproach them. They sacrifice others to preserve their self-image of perfection.

[A] reaction that the evil frequently engender in us is confusion. Describing an encounter with an evil person, one woman wrote, it was "as if I'd suddenly lost my ability to think"....This reaction is quite appropriate. Lies confuse. The evil are "the people of the lie", deceiving others as they also build layer upon layer of self-deception.

In addition to the fact that the evil need victims to sacrifice to their narcissism, their narcissism permits them to ignore the humanity of their victims as well....The blindness of the narcissist to others can extend even beyond a lack of empathy; narcissists may not "see" others at all.
 
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KR, speaking about lies, could you show me where your uncle claimed to be an Air Force trained pilot? Just curious.
 
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