UAX Letter to UAL Pilots over jumpseat dispute.

[SaturnPilot]

Thank you for admitting that you are full of BS.

Whatever champ...don't take my word for it, call your MEC Secretary Treasurer and have him sit down with you and show you the books. Either way, thanks for bringing so much to the conversation.

 

[eatme]

Seems someone is on the rag today

 

[JoeMerchant]

Whatever champ...don't take my word for it, call your MEC Secretary Treasurer and have him sit down with you and show you the books. Either way, thanks for bringing so much to the conversation.

I've seen the "books"...for ASA and SKYW combined, it would be over 3 million a year that could be taken in.....

Too much money is wasted on full time ALPA leave...I have seen it grow over the years....It could be cut back....

 

[JoeMerchant]

Mostly flight pay loss for your negotiating committee.

We had about 9 people on full time ALPA leave....Communications, Family Awareness, SPC....It is over used.....and then when the budget comes up short they come to the members for more....There is too much full time ALPA leave....

 

[PCL_128]

I've seen the "books"...for ASA and SKYW combined, it would be over 3 million a year that could be taken in.....

You'll never get the two groups combined with your fantasy independent union, Decertification Fairy. Never happen. You can only count on your own carrier's income, and as SaturnPilot demonstrated, you don't have the revenue to support even a minimally functional independent union.

 

[PCL_128]

We had about 9 people on full time ALPA leave....Communications, Family Awareness, SPC....It is over used.....and then when the budget comes up short they come to the members for more....There is too much full time ALPA leave....

That's an issue for your own carrier, and I actually agree that your MEC probably used a little too much buy. ALPA National doesn't control that. The CMR MEC was always notorious in days past for the same thing. Not sure how the new MEC is handling union leave, though. In any case, even if you limit full time buy to the bare minimum, as we did on the PCL MEC (the CNC only got it when actively preparing or negotiating, plus the MEC Chairman), then you still rack up about $400k per year during negotiations just in FPL. That doesn't even count the attorney you'd have to put on retainer, the specialist attorneys you'd have to pay by the hour for issues like scope and retirement, E & FA, per diem and other travel costs, SPC expenses, etc.... Under no circumstances could an independent regional union support themselves adequately during contract negotiations. It'll never add up.

 

[JoeMerchant]

You'll never get the two groups combined with your fantasy independent union, Decertification Fairy. Never happen. You can only count on your own carrier's income, and as SaturnPilot demonstrated, you don't have the revenue to support even a minimally functional independent union.

I think a deal could be reached....especially if it included an independant union....

A combined list would require a representational election and I doubt ALPA would win the election.....

Again, I'm not currently advocating decertification....although quite a few are....I like having the DFR hammer...

 

[PCL_128]

I think a deal could be reached...

And I think you're smoking some high-quality ganja if you believe that.

 

[WalterSobchak]

And I think you're smoking some high-quality ganja if you believe that.

Would this be the same California gold that you smoke that leads you to believe that anyone here still gives a rat's arse about anything you have to say?

 

[dispatchguy]

It's amazing.

This jumpseat issue has devolved into an ALPA-No ALPA pissing match.

Hell, any discussion on FI here can devolve into one of those anymore.

What were we originally discussing?