UAX Letter to UAL Pilots over jumpseat dispute.

[Formula 1]

Let it be known:

Whereas: I know the guy personally

Whereas: He is a SKYW pilot

Whereas: He co-wrote it..........as did the JSC from the aforementioned airlines (team effort)

Whereas: Putting his name out here does nothing. UAL's MEC knows who he, and the others are.

Whereas: You're talkin outta your ass

I am talking out my ass? Why don't you read the RLA and make the determination that this "Let it be known" phantom of the night cannot sign your pilot group to this silly letter.

If this is true than his time at SkyWest is limited. He'll be terminated or he will be forced to leave within the next year.

My question to you is this, What right does this single individual have to sign for the collective when he has no authority of the union given in the RLA. SAPA by definition is a employee relations group and is not covered by the RLA and has no legal protections and authority to represent the pilots of SkyWest. If anything, SkyWest pilots who get terminated because they fail to get to work because of this letter have grounds to sue this one individual. In fact SkyWest has grounds to terminate this individual for claiming he represents the SkyWest pilot group. All you guys are doing is hurting your pilot group.

Best of luck.

 

[JoeMerchant]

I agree it's nice to see regional carriers bind together for a purpose, but I'm afraid the ultimatum in this letter will serve to drive a further wedge between major and regional pilots. Lets hope that's not the case.

The mainline MECs along with ALPA and APA created the wedge.....They also have the ability to remove the wedge or drive it deeper....Interesting that it took an independant group to do what ALPA couldn't do....Bring multiple carriers together for a common purpose...I'm impressed.....ALPA could learn a lot from the UAX pilot group....

 

[ArcticFlier]

I am talking out my ass? Why don't you read the RLA and make the determination that this "Let it be known" phantom of the night cannot sign your pilot group to this silly letter.

If this is true than his time at SkyWest is limited. He'll be terminated or he will be forced to leave within the next year.

My question to you is this, What right does this single individual have to sign for the collective when he has no authority of the union given in the RLA. SAPA by definition is a employee relations group and is not covered by the RLA and has no legal protections and authority to represent the pilots of SkyWest. If anything, SkyWest pilots who get terminated because they fail to get to work because of this letter have grounds to sue this one individual. In fact SkyWest has grounds to terminate this individual for claiming he represents the SkyWest pilot group. All you guys are doing is hurting your pilot group.

Best of luck.

We'll have to agree to disagree.

 

[SaturnPilot]

The mainline MECs along with ALPA and APA created the wedge.....They also have the ability to remove the wedge or drive it deeper....Interesting that it took an independant group to do what ALPA couldn't do....Bring multiple carriers together for a common purpose...I'm impressed.....ALPA could learn a lot from the UAX pilot group....

we can either place blame on who we think is responsible for the industry's problems, or we can try to fix them. Issuing ultimatums to pilots is adding to our problems instead of adding to the solution.

 

[JoeMerchant]

we can either place blame on who we think is responsible for the industry's problems, or we can try to fix them. Issuing ultimatums to pilots is adding to our problems instead of adding to the solution.

1. We can't fix anything until the behavior is changed....It isn't regional pilots who don't think of the mainline pilots as "objects"....It is mainline pilots who think regional pilots are "objects" to use as negotiating chips...Nothing will change until that attitude changes....

2. If the mainline won't change a simple code in the computer that was already changed for THEIR benefit, they won't change anything meaningful....This issue speaks volumes of the attitude we are facing...Quit coming up with excuses and make the change....Do what is right for once!

 

[SaturnPilot]

1. We can't fix anything until the behavior is changed....It isn't regional pilots who don't think of the mainline pilots as "objects"....It is mainline pilots who think regional pilots are "objects" to use as negotiating chips...Nothing will change until that attitude changes....

so, every major pilot sees regional pilots as "objects", huh?

I will submit that your attitude is just as much of the problem as the attitudes of SOME major pilots who think regional pilots are beneath them. You bring no solutions to this conflict.

2. If the mainline won't change a simple code in the computer that was already changed for THEIR benefit, they won't change anything meaningful....This issue speaks volumes of the attitude we are facing...Quit coming up with excuses and make the change....Do what is right for once!

I'll get right on that since my name is really Steve W. and I'm the chairman of the UAL MEC posing as someone with a CL-65 type.

 

[JoeMerchant]

so, every major pilot sees regional pilots as "objects", huh?

Absolutely not....Just the ones in positions of power within ALPA....The decision makers......

I will submit that your attitude is just as much of the problem as the attitudes of SOME major pilots who think regional pilots are beneath them. You bring no solutions to this conflict.

My attitude has been formed after 14 years of participating in ALPA and over many trips to Herndon....this issue confims my beliefs...

I'll get right on that since my name is really Steve W. and I'm the chairman of the UAL MEC posing as someone with a CL-65 type.

No, but you are defending him and his actions because you are an ALPA cheerleader....

 

[SaturnPilot]

Absolutely not....Just the ones in positions of power within ALPA....The decision makers......

another broad generalization based on no fact what-so-ever.

My attitude has been formed after 14 years of participating in ALPA and over many trips to Herndon....this issue confims my beliefs...

ALPA leadership turns over at a rapid rate. I'm sorry you were unhappy with your ALPA collegues attitudes while you worked in ALPA, but I'm guessing if you approached those people with any hint of the attitude you have now then that's probably why you were unsuccessful.

No, but you are defending him and his actions because you are an ALPA cheerleader....

Hey Decertification Fairy, go ahead and show me just ONE of my posts where I defend the UAL MEC Chairman. Your only argument with me ever is to call me an ALPA Cheerleader in your pathetic attempt to convince ignorant readers that I support ALPA no matter what. The reality is that I make decisions based on what I think is best for my job and the industry. If you can come up with a solution to the problems within ALPA, I'd be all ears and happy to support it. So far you have not come even close to that as your only suggestions are ideas you have spent less than 30 seconds researching the feasibility of, such as your independent ASA union that is financially next to impossible.

 

[flyboyike]

So far you have not come even close to that as your only suggestions are ideas you have spent less than 30 seconds researching the feasibility of, such as your independent ASA union that is financially next to impossible.

As impossible as, say, USAPA?

 

[Caspian27]

we can either place blame on who we think is responsible for the industry's problems, or we can try to fix them. Issuing ultimatums to pilots is adding to our problems instead of adding to the solution.

Well, what other impetus or motivation is there for UAL to change it's computer boarding priority at this point? This has been going on for 2 years. They've apparently tried every other avenue and it didn't work. They tried to work together to fix them like you suggest, but that was unsuccessful.

When everything else fails, and the priority is still not right, what else can you do? I like this as little as everyone else...but it is super-frustrating trying to commute on UAX due primarily to this issue.