UAL wants to change jumpseating to ID90

[inthegoo]

UAL wants to screw with the jumpseat in the new travel agreement,

Our (SkyWest) SAPA president sent us an update today that says that in the new travel agreement with UAL, they (UAL) would like to limit the jumpseat in a way that would only allow for one jumpseater to ride free, and only if the cabin were totally full, in other words if you are jumpseating and there is a seat in the cabin that is available, you will have to take that seat and pay as if you were a non-rev, AND even worse if you decline to pay the new annual fee to UAL you will be left behind completely.

Also they want to cut off jumpseating to offline carriers completely and only let them ride if they buy an ID90, which is a huge foul against all of our reciprocal agreements with many other airlines, which they will most certainly terminate our jumpseat agreements for,

UAL is trying to make a nickel any way they can,

UAL SUCKS!

 

[altimaklr]

Once all the UA pilots start missing their show times because their Jumpseat agreements aren't honored, they might reconsider...

 

[Shrek]

Once all the UA pilots start missing their show times because their Jumpseat agreements aren't honored, they might reconsider...

Then he can blame the pilots for putting UAUA in bancrupcy #2.

Glenn's Gotta Go

 

[Sandhawk]

When does it stop ?????

:angryfire

 

[altimaklr]

DL is already pulling something similar with us at Pinnacle... We have an international JS agreement with mainline, but DL deducts international flights out of our travelnet allowace (one overseas trip a year). After the first trip we must use a zed ticket. All the other DCI and mainline pilots better realize this is just the beginning, the more you let them get away with, the sooner it will affect you too.

 

[ex j-41]

Everytime i do a IAD flight i have 5 UA jumpseaters asking for a lift.
Hate to tell them that they will have to buy an ID90.

 

[JimmyKool]

similar to the way it used to be.

 

[mynameisjim]

similar to the way it used to be.

If we bring regionals, workrules, and pay back to how it used to be, you've got a deal!

 

[WayBack]

When does it stop ?????

:angryfire

It won't. Even if all the guys who are fed up with this crap and they can't staff flights, they'll still keep making it worse.
They won't be happy until they've taken everything away from the pilot group, and have pilots who are more than happy to have that job. They want the happy-go-lucky pilot who just thinks it's neeto to fly the big airliner!
Sadly enough, they will find them.

 

[BrickTop]

UAL pilots need to grab their BAL$$ and vote strike againt this kind of FU*&ING BULLSH!T. Someone bring to Glen to my house so I can properly educate him on the way rual American solve probelms like him in an alley behind the bar.

 

[Shrek]

UAL pilots need to grab their BAL$$ and vote strike againt this kind of FU*&ING BULLSH!T. Someone bring to Glen to my house so I can properly educate him on the way rual American solve probelms like him in an alley behind the bar.

Strike votes are usually AFTER an arbitrator is involved so it is wayy to early in the game for that. But I understand the meaning behind the comment.

This kind of stuff is RLA Negotiations 101 from the MGT side so far. Stay tuned for more of this kind of stuff in the future. It is designed for general ill will against UAL pilots and from some of the posts in the thread - worked perfectly.

 

[GOULET!]

Everytime i do a IAD flight i have 5 UA jumpseaters asking for a lift.
Hate to tell them that they will have to buy an ID90.

I was thinking the exact same thing. As soon as we all start leaving UA pilots behind at the gate this rule will change real quick I guarantee it. Tell your friends and spread the word!

 

[Capt10Matt]

This BS has to stop at some point, I'm so F***ing sick of hearing crooked news coming down from every single managment type. You know, I would hope if I were a UAL pilot I'd hope that I'd step up to the F***ING plate and do something about this (what, I wish I knew).

I won't be having any UAL jumpseaters if this happens. When you don't get on, then UAL can feel the wrath of the rest of the industry. As a fellow commuter, this is just plain disgusting.

 

[dispatchguy]

Didnt the UAL drivers eventually come to the aid of UAX during the jumpseat war from last spring, I believe?

I do believe that yes, some jackass in UAL management got his roxx off thinking this one up, but until its a FOM revision and a UAL POSBD on their releases, lets see what UAL ALPA has to say about it.

And no, I have no doggie in this war...

 

[ultrarunner]

....lets see what UAL ALPA has to say about it....

Riiiight! ALPA to the rescue....

What a grand plan!

 

[WayBack]

UAL pilots need to grab their BAL$$ and vote strike againt this kind of FU*&ING BULLSH!T. Someone bring to Glen to my house so I can properly educate him on the way rual American solve probelms like him in an alley behind the bar.

Would that be the Blue Oyster Club?

As for UAL pilots grabbing their BAL$$, I don't see it happening. Especially with ALPA on the property, they will never strike. No one will ever strike again while ALPA is still on property.

 

[Dubya]

Would that be the Blue Oyster Club?

As for UAL pilots grabbing their BAL$$, I don't see it happening. Especially with ALPA on the property, they will never strike. No one will ever strike again while ALPA is still on property.

ALPO couldn't whip it's way out of a wet paper sack.

 

[JoeMerchant]

If this goes thru....no UAL jumpseaters on my airplane....ALPA won't do anything...but WE can....

 

[WayBack]

If this goes thru....no UAL jumpseaters on my airplane....ALPA won't do anything...but WE can....

What do you mean they won't do anything!? I'm sure the UAL guy who is spending his free time infront of Congress, trying to ban passengers from bringing batteries on airliners will be more than happy to fight for the JS!
Or maybe not

 

[IBNAV8R]

Sounds like August needs to be national "Fly Safe" month.

 

[PBRstreetgang]

Sounds like August needs to be national "Fly Safe" month.

Are you gonna refigger the fuel on every possible shortcut? Its gonna be a hot summer, I predict high speed climbs and APU on, oh, say all the time. Early descents, w/320kt level off will help schedule integrity, add in the 1st turn off effort, would round out the effort, any others?
PBR

 

[Gutenberg]

UAL pilots need to grab their BAL$$ and vote strike againt this kind of FU*&ING BULLSH!T. Someone bring to Glen to my house so I can properly educate him on the way rual American solve probelms like him in an alley behind the bar.

What, with you violating him like in Deliverance? Squeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee!:crying:

 

[Speedtape]

Just for the record: This initiative will not stop at UAL. If UAL MGMT is successful, it will be coming to an airline near you! This method and trickle down is exactly how the "B" scale started.

UAL pilots have to make "fighting it" a priority. If they don't, then there should be consequences for the recipricol Jump Seat at other carriers for UAL pilots. Sorry, that's the way it has to be to protect Jump Seat access in our industry. Short term pain means long term gain.

For those paying attention, AA and SWA played hardball on the multiple Jumpseat issue with all the other carriers. If you reciprocated, then you had a seat at the table. Until you reciprocated, you got only one shot at the actual J/S, if no one else showed up. Their campaign worked, even though it took a little time. The Atlanta based, Mainline Pilot group even made it priority in their concessionary negotiations.

As someone pointed out earlier, when UAX carriers, initiated by Skywest, joined together and made it a priority, suddenly the UAL MEC decided to support the cause. That was a beautiful thing to watch from the sidelines. Hopefully, the same groups will again rise to the occasion.

 

[rumrunner300]

Took longer that I expected... but

UAX Pilots and Pass Charges
United Airlines and all UAX managements have signed an agreement whereby all UAX employees that occupy a cabin seat on any UAX flight will be charged an associated fee. It is also expected, but not written in this agreement, that UAX pilots would also be charged for a seat while traveling under the provisions of unlimited jumpseat travel on their own carrier, as well as other UAX flights.

Needless to say, the UAX pilots are outraged with this agreement. The UAL-MEC Jumpseat Committee is also in agreement that there be no charges levied for a jumpseat, flight deck or cabin. UAX pilots jumpseat agreements allow for unlimited jumpseats to all offline carriers as well as their own pilots. We fully support these UAX carriers in their efforts to exercise their agreements to their fullest .However, we cannot negotiate on their behalf, nor can we represent them in discussions with their respective managements. We will do everything we can to support these UAX pilots with their endeavors.

With this new policy being implemented, there may be some disgruntled UAX pilots who will accuse the UAL-MEC Jumpseat Committee and UA flight ops of being responsible for this policy change. Flights ops and your Jumpseat Committee are in no way responsible for its content. If you jumpseat on a UAX flight, you may encounter a UAX pilot who that may want to deny you a jumpseat. We have not seen any correspondence from the UAX jumpseat chairpersons that they would deny our pilots a jumpseat because of this new policy. Therefore, these pilots may be acting on their own behalf. Should you encounter a denial as a result of this policy change, we ask that you contact the Jumpseat Committee as soon as possible. We will not tolerate this conduct and will make the UAX Jumpseat Committee chairs aware of this immediately.

Where United Airlines and the UAX managements have entered into this agreement, it is incumbent upon the UAX pilot groups to confront their managements with these policy changes and correct them as appropriate. Your Jumpseat Committee will offer any assistance it can to the UAX committee chairs in getting this policy, as it pertains to jumpseating, reversed.

 

[Mr.B]

UAX Pilots and Pass Charges
United Airlines and all UAX managements have signed an agreement whereby all UAX employees that occupy a cabin seat on any UAX flight will be charged an associated fee. It is also expected, but not written in this agreement, that UAX pilots would also be charged for a seat while traveling under the provisions of unlimited jumpseat travel on their own carrier, as well as other UAX flights.

Needless to say, the UAX pilots are outraged with this agreement. The UAL-MEC Jumpseat Committee is also in agreement that there be no charges levied for a jumpseat, flight deck or cabin. UAX pilots jumpseat agreements allow for unlimited jumpseats to all offline carriers as well as their own pilots. We fully support these UAX carriers in their efforts to exercise their agreements to their fullest .However, we cannot negotiate on their behalf, nor can we represent them in discussions with their respective managements. We will do everything we can to support these UAX pilots with their endeavors.

With this new policy being implemented, there may be some disgruntled UAX pilots who will accuse the UAL-MEC Jumpseat Committee and UA flight ops of being responsible for this policy change. Flights ops and your Jumpseat Committee are in no way responsible for its content. If you jumpseat on a UAX flight, you may encounter a UAX pilot who that may want to deny you a jumpseat. We have not seen any correspondence from the UAX jumpseat chairpersons that they would deny our pilots a jumpseat because of this new policy. Therefore, these pilots may be acting on their own behalf. Should you encounter a denial as a result of this policy change, we ask that you contact the Jumpseat Committee as soon as possible. We will not tolerate this conduct and will make the UAX Jumpseat Committee chairs aware of this immediately.

Where United Airlines and the UAX managements have entered into this agreement, it is incumbent upon the UAX pilot groups to confront their managements with these policy changes and correct them as appropriate. Your Jumpseat Committee will offer any assistance it can to the UAX committee chairs in getting this policy, as it pertains to jumpseating, reversed.

So what would you expects UAL pilots to do for y'all? Strike?

 

[ultrarunner]

Wow, so in essence, a pilot now has to PAY to be an additional crew member or can you opt-out of the ACM responsibilities since it is 'pay-to-ride' like everyone else?

 

[Rez O. Lewshun]

If I were a UAX pilot, I might be regretting the temper tantrums this spring to leverage the UAL MEC to fight my fights....

Now, the UAX pilots have an issue with their management and UAL managment... not sure were the UAL pilots are involved but it sure would be nice to have friends....

 

[DoinTime]

If I were a UAX pilot, I might be regretting the temper tantrums this spring to leverage the UAL MEC to fight my fights....

Now, the UAX pilots have an issue with their management and UAL managment... not sure were the UAL pilots are involved but it sure would be nice to have friends....

This isn't an issue that stems from UAX management. This is a United management issue and only the United pilots can peacefully influence United management. The only option UAX pilots have to fight this now is the nuclear option of pulling reciprocal agreements. After untold pilots are fired in subsequent aftermath of attendance reliability issues on both sides maybe the United pilots will finally figure out that they are the only ones who can directly affect the behavior of their management group, for better or for worse.

Oh well....I'm sure that in the mean time the United MEC can keep themselves busy with the childish pranks they are famous for. Whats next? "Glenn's Got To Go" beer mugs?

 

[JoeMerchant]

If I were a UAX pilot, I might be regretting the temper tantrums this spring to leverage the UAL MEC to fight my fights....

Now, the UAX pilots have an issue with their management and UAL managment... not sure were the UAL pilots are involved but it sure would be nice to have friends....

What's wrong with enforcing truly "reciprocal" agreements? If you allow multiple free jumpseats...so will I....If you charge for jumpseats...so will I.....Maybe we can all charge UAL pilots to jumpseat and pocket the money....

Sorry Rez...The ONLY way this gets solved is if the UAX pilots make an issue with UAL and UAL pilots...otherwise nothing will happen...

When ASA didn't offer the jumpseat to other carriers, those carriers wouldn't let us jumpseat....That made it a priority for us in our negotiations...If those carriers hadn't refused us, we wouldn't have made it such a priority....Hardball works!

 

[Rez O. Lewshun]

This isn't an issue that stems from UAX management. This is a United management issue and only the United pilots can peacefully influence United management. The only option UAX pilots have to fight this now is the nuclear option of pulling reciprocal agreements. After untold pilots are fired in subsequent aftermath of attendance reliability issues on both sides maybe the United pilots will finally figure out that they are the only ones who can directly affect the behavior of their management group, for better or for worse.

Oh well....I'm sure that in the mean time the United MEC can keep themselves busy with the childish pranks they are famous for. Whats next? "Glenn's Got To Go" beer mugs?

I agree. However, the UAX pilots used vinegar in this past spring, not honey. The UAL pilots may very well be the path for resolution for the UAX pilots... Desite the fact that the UAL pilots really have nothing to do with this. That is why is it good form and politics to create alliances and friends.

Are the UAX pilots going to use vinegar again? I guess we will see.... In the mean time, who is playing who? So when this situation gets resolved and in six months UAL management pulls another play... how are the UAX pilots going to respond?

When does it end?